Black Monday

[Biscuit]

Yes Jantar you make a good point that there is correlation with CO2 and temperatures.
However correlation does not equal causation.

There is no reliable scientific data that I have been able to find that can prove the causation of rising c02 and temperatures.
If you have seen any please send me a link and I would love to read it.

Hi axe, let me know what you think (but perhaps on a different thread?):

https://www.skepticalscience.com/emp...use-effect.htm

[dobby41]

Global warming or climate change, whatever it's currently being called, is simply the scientists version of what Y2K was to the computer industry. A pure and simple way of ensuring the funding gravy train continues to flow. Governments are happy to go along with it, as it provides a "reason" for greater control of our everyday lives, ability to tax etc

Y2Y was a hoax?
So nothing was fixed prior to the event?
It is a bit like seeing an increase in crime.
So you put bobbies on the street.
Crime goes down.
So looking at the crime stats now the bobbies are wasted to you put them elsewhere.
Crime goes up.

[skid]

Global warming or climate change, whatever it's currently being called, is simply the scientists version of what Y2K was to the computer industry. A pure and simple way of ensuring the funding gravy train continues to flow. Governments are happy to go along with it, as it provides a "reason" for greater control of our everyday lives, ability to tax etc

I applaud Trump for seeing through the faux science that is purported to establish a tenuous link between anything humans are even capable doing and the earth climate. I acknowledge this may be crediting The Don with more intelligence than is justified. But I support his course of action, and hope that NZ will abandon the pointless wastage of time and money trying to fix something that isn't broken

DYOR on the climate change hypotheses and you will quickly see over the 4,500,000,000 year history of the planet

- zero correlation between CO2 levels and earth temperature
- zero correlation between methane levels and earth temperature
- zero correlation between oxygen levels and earth temperature

eg. CO2 levels have risen from 180ppm to 280ppm and this is described at catastrophic. But CO2 levels were as high as 7000ppm in earth history and the world did not end - it flourished

Ice ages have happened when CO2 levels rose, interglacial periods have happened when CO2 levels fall. Glaciers retreat, glaciers grow. The arctic has a permanent icecap, then it doesn't. North even becomes south when the earths magnetic field reverses for no particular reason

CO2 from all this coal and oil being burnt came from where? It came from plants that photosynthetically converted CO2 from the atmosphere (along with H2O) into biomass which was laid down over millennia and slowly transformed into the hydrocarbons we extract today. So we are simply very very slowly returning to the atmosphere what was originally present.......

There are people who have been paid well for ''selling doubt'' Mostly they have been financed by foundations that generally end up being traced back to elitists like the Koch brothers who have much to gain from the lifting of environmental controls---be careful who you listen to. If you are into following the money ,you are on the wrong track---the big money is with the climate change deniers. 97% of scientists support the fact that man is contributing to environmental change.
Its not a nice feeling to think that one has been 'duped'' but its important to keep an open mind
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...climate-denial

[Tomtom]

An informal chat this weekend with someone in property indicates a few New Zealand banks are trying to move retail investment lending off the books.

[Under Surveillance]

An informal chat this weekend with someone in property indicates a few New Zealand banks are trying to move retail investment lending off the books.

Wow, this is dynamite. You should get in touch with Nicky Hager, he could wrap another bestseller around your facts.

[Lewylewylewy]

The banks eagerness to support the latest lvr chance prior to it's mandated implementation date would support this statement.

[Big Blind]

Wow, this is dynamite. You should get in touch with Nicky Hager, he could wrap another bestseller around your facts.

He's already working on his next one. It's all about bears ****ting in the woods, or was it the Pope's suspected links to the Catholic church?

[Big Blind]

He's already working on his next one. It's all about bears ****ting in the woods, or was it the Pope's suspected links to the Catholic church?

In fact, Nicky's got his facts mixed up again and the story is about how the Pope ****s in the woods

[arc]

DOW and S&P both going sideways for the last 5 days, NASDAQ also sideways for the last month.
Tension is building.

[Lewylewylewy]

Meh it'll be fine for a bit yet 😃