Black Monday

[alokdhir]

Trade aspirations and requirements of China and USA are totally different ...China needs markets for its cheaply mass produced common person goods etc where as USA needs Governments on its sellers list for hi tech super costly weapons and other highly value added goods like planes etc .

Also USA thinks its the biggest economy on earth and its business is more important to others then theirs to US ...rightly or wrongly thats how most have taken it so far ...Economic power even over shadows its military might ...

But for NZ as a small low tech / agricultural based soft commodity producer ...it works very well to be on side of as many economies as it can ...

We are much better placed then majority of the countries at this time of this pandemic only because of our superb exports performance as demand for NZ soft commodity exports is much less elastic then goods exported by China / Australia etc ...

Now we are the lucky country ...

[BlackPeter]

If you are a normal healthy individual then just like the flu vaccine there is absolutely no reason to take this one.

This statement is plainly wrong. While it is correct that the flu fatality risk for "normal healthy individuals" is low - they are (when infected) still spreading the virus around to less healthy parts of society who well may die from the flu.

Taking the flu shot is for anybody one easy measure to protect the general population. No reason to take the shot?

https://www.healthline.com/health/fl...#shot-vs-spray

You are entitled to your opinion but I stand by my statement.

Everybody is entitled to their opinion. Its like with religion - no matter how nonsensical somebody's religious views might look to anybody else (and they always do ...), we are all entitled to them unless we are actively using these views to damage other peoples health and livelihoods.

Spreading misleading and wrong health information is damaging to others. Any spreader of anti vaccer mumbo jumbo is directly responsible for killing people. We have seen that in Samoa (measles), we see that in many third world countries (Anti vaccers against polio vaccination) and no doubt we sill see that in many parts of the world when the Covid vaccine is rolled out.

No need to jump on the bandwagon of lies and conspiracy theories.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/13/t...formation.html

[couta1]

This statement is plainly wrong. While it is correct that the flu fatality risk for "normal healthy individuals" is low - they are (when infected) still spreading the virus around to less healthy parts of society who well may die from the flu.

Taking the flu shot is for anybody one easy measure to protect the general population. No reason to take the shot?

https://www.healthline.com/health/fl...#shot-vs-spray



Everybody is entitled to their opinion. Its like with religion - no matter how nonsensical somebody's religious views might look to anybody else (and they always do ...), we are all entitled to them unless we are actively using these views to damage other peoples health and livelihoods.

Spreading misleading and wrong health information is damaging to others. Any spreader of anti vaccer mumbo jumbo is directly responsible for killing people. We have seen that in Samoa (measles), we see that in many third world countries (Anti vaccers against polio vaccination) and no doubt we sill see that in many parts of the world when the Covid vaccine is rolled out.

No need to jump on the bandwagon of lies and conspiracy theories.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/13/t...formation.html

I would steer you and others to goggle and read "The Flu Vaccine is bad medicine" which demonstrates the science against flu vaccines and Tamiflu. Nothing to do with lies and conspiracy theories, don't make false assumptions.

[Balance]

Trade aspirations and requirements of China and USA are totally different ...China needs markets for its cheaply mass produced common person goods etc where as USA needs Governments on its sellers list for hi tech super costly weapons and other highly value added goods like planes etc .

Also USA thinks its the biggest economy on earth and its business is more important to others then theirs to US ...rightly or wrongly thats how most have taken it so far ...Economic power even over shadows its military might ...

But for NZ as a small low tech / agricultural based soft commodity producer ...it works very well to be on side of as many economies as it can ...

We are much better placed then majority of the countries at this time of this pandemic only because of our superb exports performance as demand for NZ soft commodity exports is much less elastic then goods exported by China / Australia etc ...

Now we are the lucky country ...

We are indeed the lucky country and it is a credit to the Clark & Key governments that they steered NZ through the myriad of geopolitical & trade considerations & tensions to maintain NZ's neutral stance with the Asian trading bloc.

[alokdhir]

We are indeed the lucky country and it is a credit to the Clark & Key governments that they steered NZ through the myriad of geopolitical & trade considerations & tensions to maintain NZ's neutral stance with the Asian trading bloc.

Fully agree ...importance of neutrality to NZ is far greater then most other countries ...Also the wisdom of our leaders ...our collective sense of fairness ...

Normally people get leaders which they choose / deserve ...as leaders also come out of same society and in true democracy ( which we are a shining example ...I even call NZ almost direct democracy as our MPs are so well connected and responsive to the roots of our society ) they are just extension of the way society in general thinks ...

[bull....]

yet they all fail to invest in NZ

[BlackPeter]

I would steer you and others to goggle and read "The Flu Vaccine is bad medicine" which demonstrates the science against flu vaccines and Tamiflu. Nothing to do with lies and conspiracy theories, don't make false assumptions.

I did not talk about Tamiflu, didn't I? Pretty sad attempt to deflect my arguments.

As well - lots of weirdo webpages coming up when using your proposed search string. Seems to be the same nutters who think the earth is flat, Trump is an honest politician and the sun circles around the earth ...

{/irony on}
Just remember - if its on the internet it must be true ...
{/irony off}

[couta1]

I did not talk about Tamiflu, didn't I? Pretty sad attempt to deflect my arguments.

As well - lots of weirdo webpages coming up when using your proposed search string. Seems to be the same nutters who think the earth is flat, Trump is an honest politician and the sun circles around the earth ...

{/irony on}
Just remember - if its on the internet it must be true ...
{/irony off}

There is only one article with a forward by Jim Meehan MD and Tamiflu is just part of the main article, please go and do some proper research before spouting forth more trash can assumptions. PS-Dont bother answering to this post until you've put in a couple of hours of studying up this article and its references.

[mike2020]

An anti-vaccine doctor from Oklahoma, Dr. Jim Meehan, wrote an online post about why he would no longer vaccinate his children. It’s pretty clear that his post is not so much a discussion of his own children (most of whom are adults) as an attempt to deter other parents from protecting their children from preventable diseases. His post is basically a set of claims trying to convince parents that vaccinating is very dangerous.
His claims are nothing new – they are strictly out of the anti-vaccine playbook. But the post has received some attention in the anti-vaccine world and was shared several thousand times, likely because many people treat an MD as an authority on the subject. So I decided to take a few minutes to explain why his claims are not good reasons to reject expert opinion and not protect children from disease.
Dr. Meehan’s claims fall into several categories (which will be discussed individually below):

1. The diseases we vaccinate against are not dangerous, and it’s okay, even good, to encounter them naturally.
2. Vaccines have toxic ingredients.
3. Vaccines are dangerous to children.
4. The science behind vaccines is corrupt because the pharmaceutical industry controls it and then corrupts it.
5. We should listen to him because he is a doctor and knows what he is talking about.

[mike2020]

Maybe you should read about who it is your quoting. If this is NZ then the USA is beyond hope.