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    Quote Originally Posted by Crackity View Post
    Already I believe thru the grapevine
    Must be a very local [Auckland] strike,as it has had no affect down here.!

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    That may be so, but Forum rules only give a Mod the opportunity to delete posts if a rule is infringed. Those posts didn't infringe any rule as far as I can tell so the Mod is acting outside their authority. So to stay on topic I would like to see Mods acting with the rules - summarized below for reference. I dont see any rule that gives the Mod the right to delete something '"distracting from the important subject of this thread"

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    Mini - you seem to have killed all discussion / debate about STMod fairness or not

    Is it game,set and match then
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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    Mini - you seem to have killed all discussion / debate about STMod fairness or not

    Is it game,set and match then
    Not sure whether it was Mini killing the discussion. I would have hoped to see Roger and PT by now back into action, but it appears STMOD does not desire to right past wrongs.

    Regrettably we haven't heard either about an intention to improve the process moving forward. Begs the question: why bother to continue this discussion?
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    Ok, this is all new to me, haven't been around for the past two weeks.

    With regards to bannings, going to be having a look at things to see what's happened to bring this about about. Not too sure why Roger & PT have been banned but I'll look into that also.

    In the interim I've taken the bans off both Roger & PT till I work out what has happened.

    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince View Post
    Ok, this is all new to me, haven't been around for the past two weeks.

    With regards to bannings, going to be having a look at things to see what's happened to bring this about about. Not too sure why Roger & PT have been banned but I'll look into that also.

    In the interim I've taken the bans off both Roger & PT till I work out what has happened.

    Cheers,
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    That gets a big from me Vince!
    Last edited by Crackity; 11-12-2015 at 11:28 PM. Reason: sp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince View Post
    Ok, this is all new to me, haven't been around for the past two weeks.

    With regards to bannings, going to be having a look at things to see what's happened to bring this about about. Not too sure why Roger & PT have been banned but I'll look into that also.

    In the interim I've taken the bans off both Roger & PT till I work out what has happened.

    Cheers,
    Vince
    Thanks Vince. I really hope you look into this thoroughly so that changes to the moderation of this site can be implemented such that it improves its enjoyment for all members and that everyone can gain from it including those that enjoy a good healthy debate. Once that review has been completed and the outcome is made known to me I will make a decision as to whether to come back or not but I would like at this stage to sincerely express my gratitude to all the posters who have expressed their support towards me and to those that have made suggestions for positive changes to the moderation methodology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    Mini - you seem to have killed all discussion / debate about STMod fairness or not

    Is it game,set and match then
    Hard to continue a discussion when I point out the rules only to show the ref is in breach of those rules. Anyway I thought we were on strike.

    Nevermind good to see Roger back and hopefully PT returns to the fold real soon.

    Now I just have to figure out how I restore my reputation after the highly distressing deletion of my posts. I havent slept a wink since. Compo, I sniff compo!

    But lets not forget - the rules are there for some semblance of order. We should respect them and the opportunity to have this forum

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    I think we're going upstairs to the video ref Mini but he will be reviewing footage of the refs on field - think the players all seemed onside....

    PT - do you feel like returning to posting on ST after your very dubious banning? Go on - I think you should!

    in regards to compo - put on your best David Bain jersey and see what happens.

    Last edited by Crackity; 12-12-2015 at 12:22 AM. Reason: Added PT ref

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    For the record :-

    I was banned for a whole month for alleged "continuously inflammatory behaviour" after posts #6801 and #6803 on the HNZ thread. Please folks, take the time to read these posts for yourselves and decide if you think STMOD grossly exceeded their mandate / authority.

    Some of my detractors (and this clearly appears to include members of STMOD including Joshuatree and Percy), are clearly very annoyed at what they think is a too dogmatic style of posting including but not limited too thoroughly discussing the debt issues HNZ potentially face with their loans this despite my posts mentioned above clearly showing I felt the issue had now finally been fully discussed. Please note that this is an extremely serious issue and the leader of HNZ has form in that he was previously leading Marac when they had to take an $83m hit on their commercial property loans.

    If we cannot debate such important issues both pro's and con's what is the point of this forum ? I would freely acknowledge I feel this issue has now been through canvassed and I am happy to leave that issue where it lies, as something that only the passage of time will reveal the truth about.

    To my detractors, you may think I'm too dogmatic in my posting style but remember that it was me that got changes to SUM's insider trading policies changed and this extremely important change was initiated by me and concluded with the help of the Shareholders association. This was brought about by my dogged determination to effect this change for the benefit of ALL Summerset shareholders. If I hadn't of taken a dogged approach this change would have never happened.

    Winner69 a valuable contributor wouldn't have come back after he was banned quite some time ago if I hadn't of talked him into it by e.mail. How many of my detractors know that ? Likewise I have been talking behind the scenes by e.mail to Couta1 and Noodles, both valuable and prolific posters trying to talk them into coming back and I am pleased to see Noodles making the occasional post again.

    Couta1 will NOT be back unless changes are made to the moderation of this site. I can tell you he is on the verge of PM'ing Vince for all his posts to be deleted. I am sure he will not mind me posting this. Changes must be made or both he and I will be gone, sorry I don't know anything about well respected and prolific poster Paper Tiger.

    STMOD has only ever PM'd me once regarding the HNZ dogmatic posting style issue and asked me politely to leave the HNZ thread alone for a couple of days. This was some time ago and I did leave it alone for a few days as requested. If my posting style was so offensive to STMOD why didn't they simply PM me and respectfully ask me to simply tone it down ?

    Must we whitewash all major issues and challenges to companies to the point where this forum becomes ultra politically correct and a vanilla exercise where we do nothing more than pump each other's tyres with only positive talk about stocks ?

    Has STMOD not noticed that prolific long standing posters like me and Paper Tiger have a full six bars of reputation so clearly a wide range of other members highly value our prolific contributions and yet STMOD treat us both with contempt ?

    Perhaps STMOD's members needs to spend some time on Cameron Slater's whaleoil blog to see the level of vigorous debate that goes on there ?

    If its good enough for our own Parliament to involve vigorous debate to sort out issues then by default doesn't that set some kind of standard, albeit some would argue is too low :-)

    I believe STMOD's recent multiple banning's of myself have been grossly excessive and their performance needs to be thoroughly reviewed and changes implemented.

    I have made detailed submission regarding my thoughts on the matter to Vince.
    Last edited by Beagle; 12-12-2015 at 08:06 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger View Post
    For the record :-

    I was banned for a whole month for alleged "continuously inflammatory behaviour" after posts #6801 and #6803 on the HNZ thread. Please folks, take the time to read these posts for yourselves and decide if you think STMOD grossly exceeded their mandate / authority.
    I think there are three issues here.
    Firstly the rules of the game under which we play. I've pasted the rules above cos rules give clarity. If we cant play by the rules expect repercussions.

    Secondly there are bleaty posters who run to mamma because they dont like the way the toys are being played with. This has to put Mods in a kinda difficult position when they are trying to ensure all enjoy the forum as per rule 1. So to Posters I say, if you you don't like the way the discussion is progressing ignore it - you alone hold responsibility for when you log in and click on that thread and read those posts. If you cant handle the heat stay out of the kitchen. And if you want to bleat refer to the rules and if a rule is being broken refer it to the Mods - let them decide.

    And thirdly the Mods. They have an unenviable task - but their task would be easier if they stuck to the rules. If rules 1 - 7 are breached deal to it. If not let the natural order find its level.

    I quite like rule 7. This is clearly not a forum full of professional financial advice. Any one that invests, or not, based solely on reliance on what is posted on these boards is a nutter. It's a forum full of peoples views and in the grown ups world we accept we may not like the views of others but we respect their right and ability to share a view. What we do with it is our own concern.

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