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    Question US Presidential Race

    Looks to me as if it's going to be Clinton v Trump if the current news is anything to go by.

    Good on Trump for standing up for his country and his beliefs but phew some of them are a bit out there and he's a bit of a loose cannon. A little bit scary to think he'd be in charge of the powerful U.S. military! If he got elected it could potentially cause a few ripples in the markets.

    I do find it funny that the same people who were writing his bid off as a joke are now hurrying to try and discredit him now they realise he has a chance, eg the whole Drumpf thing.

    Thoughts? Can he do it and if so will we see big changes in the U.S./world, or will Clinton take it and the status quo prevail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nextbigthing View Post
    Looks to me as if it's going to be Clinton v Trump if the current news is anything to go by.

    Good on Trump for standing up for his country and his beliefs
    Even he doesn't know what his beliefs are. Between Trump and that North Korean nutter, they'd somehow manage to blow something to bits. Probably the planet.

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    Thoughts? Can he do it and if so will we see big changes in the U.S./world, or will Clinton take it and the status quo prevail?
    Does it really matter? Won't Congress and the bureaucrats in Washington continue to run the country?


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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    Even he doesn't know what his beliefs are. Between Trump and that North Korean nutter, they'd somehow manage to blow something to bits. Probably the planet.
    I think he knows exactly what his beliefs are. He's just willing to tell different parties what they want to hear to get votes/donations and that's where the inconsistancy comes in. Very much a politician.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macduffy View Post
    Does it really matter? Won't Congress and the bureaucrats in Washington continue to run the country?

    I don't really understand the US system. However wouldn't he have the right to veto? And the right to old his fat finger over the launch button! That matters!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    Even he doesn't know what his beliefs are. Between Trump and that North Korean nutter, they'd somehow manage to blow something to bits. Probably the planet.
    Then you clearly do not know what Rubio and Cruz would do/stand for. Trump is a lot more liberal and moderate than those two......

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackcap View Post
    Then you clearly do not know what Rubio and Cruz would do/stand for. Trump is a lot more liberal and moderate than those two......
    Most US politicians do/stand for what their funders do/stand for.

    Trump funds himself, so has no favors to repay.

    Truly scary. A US politician beholden to no-one. When did we last see that d'you think. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTM 3442 View Post
    Most US politicians do/stand for what their funders do/stand for.

    Trump funds himself, so has no favors to repay.

    Truly scary. A US politician beholden to no-one. When did we last see that d'you think. . .
    Casinos and construction are regarded as the 2 most corrupt industries in USA. Trump has made billions from those 2 industries. Do you really think he has "no favors to pay" ???
    I hope we will see Michael Bloomberg run as an independent

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    An independent in the USA has as much chance of becoming president as Hone Harawira has of becoming our Prime Minister

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    Bloomberg would be an interesting alternative however he only said he will stand if both Trump and Sanders are the candidates and that is very unlikely.
    Trump has little chance of becoming President as half his own party can't stand him. Sure some will swing in behind but many won't as well. Clinton will do well with women, Hispanics & Black vote. She should also win the key middle ground centrists.
    Hopefully you find my posts helpful, but in no way should they be construed as advice. Make your own decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTM 3442 View Post
    Most US politicians do/stand for what their funders do/stand for.

    Trump funds himself, so has no favors to repay.n beholden to no-one.
    Trump says he funds himself, but it's complete rubbish.

    http://www.salon.com/2016/03/01/john...aign_is_a_lie/

    https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/c...N00023864&type
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTM 3442 View Post
    Most US politicians do/stand for what their funders do/stand for.

    Trump funds himself, so has no favors to repay.

    Truly scary. A US politician beholden to no-one. When did we last see that d'you think. . .
    The dream team would be Trump and Palin. Imagining waking up to them as President and Veep. Twilight Zone. There would be a sea wall built along the Alaska coast so Palin could keep an eye on the Russians and a land border for Trump to keep out Mexicans. Maybe there would be a gun in everyone's pocket.
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    Is a year or so old but this article makes one think the people of the US only get what they deserve


    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...g-down-america

    Anti-Intellectualism and the "Dumbing Down" of America
    There is a growing anti-intellectual dumbing down of our culture
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    “What the wise man does in the beginning, the fool does in the end”

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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    Is a year or so old but this article makes one think the people of the US only get what they deserve


    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...g-down-america

    Anti-Intellectualism and the "Dumbing Down" of America
    There is a growing anti-intellectual dumbing down of our culture
    I agree. We live in an age of sound bites and youtube clips. Where newspaper websites often comprise facebook and twitter reactions when they are not concerned with real-life criminal court dramas. In the 80's and 90's I remember the main tv channels used have serious news, current affair and docos. Now they are as rare as hens' teeth and it is My Kitchen Is On The Block and Who Wants To Be A Bachelor's Egghead or something. In America Walter Cronkite has been replaced by Kim Kardashian

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    If this is correct it's only $245,800 of funding (not counting minor funders). Hardly a kings ransom, unlike the $10's or $100 million of other candidates. So assuming Trump's campaign costs more than $245k, where'd the money come from? Doesn't look like "rubbish" to me, that Trump essentially funds his own campaign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baa_Baa View Post
    If this is correct it's only $245,800 of funding (not counting minor funders). Hardly a kings ransom, unlike the $10's or $100 million of other candidates. So assuming Trump's campaign costs more than $245k, where'd the money come from? Doesn't look like "rubbish" to me, that Trump essentially funds his own campaign.
    He doesn't. He is a compulsive liar so forget what he says. He lent the campaign a few million, but it's only a loan which will be repaid to him. His total personal input is around 2 - 300,000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    Is a year or so old but this article makes one think the people of the US only get what they deserve


    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...g-down-america

    Anti-Intellectualism and the "Dumbing Down" of America
    There is a growing anti-intellectual dumbing down of our culture
    What is dumb that it took till 2014 for an American to realise and then write about. We were already laughing at Americans way back when - remember the comedy skit which featured Reagan and "the presidents brain is missing"

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    Sure will be interesting seeing the establishment versus the anti-establishment slugging it out for the American votes. I anticipate sanity will prevail when faced with lunacy as the alternative, but you never know! World war 3 might be only a mere Trump away. I'd also expect the markets reaction will be truely ugly to having a Kim Il Trump presiding over the worlds greatest super power. Heaven forbid or we're all forked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baa_Baa View Post
    Sure will be interesting seeing the establishment versus the anti-establishment slugging it out for the American votes. I anticipate sanity will prevail when faced with lunacy as the alternative, but you never know! World war 3 might be only a mere Trump away. I'd also expect the markets reaction will be truely ugly to having a Kim Il Trump presiding over the worlds greatest super power. Heaven forbid or we're all forked.

    I'm waiting for Bloomberg to crawl out of the woodwork.

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    interesting article in tonight's online newspaper.... half way down is a picture of Hilary with arms up ........ the interesting thing is the background.
    makes you wonder why Trump has so much support.
    what ever happens in the next several months........ things will change one way or the other.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news...ectid=11598799

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