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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    They should try again. Won't be hard to get a couple of million signatures supporting a replay.
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    Default Brexit - the Story: the beginning

    Hmm - interesting.

    Some 52% of British voters ready to vote on the day ticked the box "leave the EU". Their reasons? Well, various ... some racists and xenophobes thought that "leave"means that they can now send the muslim and Polish people home (some of them living in the UK for several generations, and the muslims mainly a consequence of failed Commonwealth policies).
    (http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/27/eu...s-post-brexit/).

    Some of the Exitus voters believed in the ridiculous lies thrown up by some political clowns like Boris Johnson ... promising the same (not even existing) money to various groups of the population as well as a "close the door to immigrants policy"
    (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-7103076.html)
    So - at the end they voted for a bribe and got a hangover and the boot.

    Some (many) of the voters had no clue what they are doing and googled after the election "What is the EU" to find out.

    Some of the Brexiters wanted to give Cameron the finger, and others the leader of the opposition (Corbyn). A number of the Brexiteers had no clue that it was Labour's policy to stay in the EU.

    None of the English Brexiters cared for the wishes of the North Island and Scottish population, who both want to stay in the EU - and the old Brexiters didn't care what their children and grand children asked for. A truly "United" Kingdom.

    None of them seemed to have read and / or understood the paper of the crown analysts on Brexit - predicting a significant drop of the pound, and higher unemployment in case of a BREXIT

    HM Treasury analysis : The long term economic impact of EU membership and the alternatives (PDF 201 pages)
    https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...ership_web.pdf

    HM Treasury analysis : The immediate economic impact of leaving the EU (PDF 90 pages)
    https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...the_eu_web.pdf
    (credit to hoop for finding these links ...)

    Some of the voters are now ashamed of what they did - some older Brexit voters ask now the younger generation whether they ever can forgive them.

    UK government as well as the opposition is crumbling - and the clowns who called the Brexit don't have a plan.

    What a mess ....

    Maybe we should use this thread to conserve the history of the BREXIT - maybe at some stage somebody can learn from it?

    So - lets take a baseline how victory looks for idiots and for the backwards looking ... I shall revisit this metrics from time to time to track the progress:

    GBP - down 12% (compared to USD) since the day of the referendum (1.4893) - i.e. the British lost 12% of their money, not even taking the stock crash into account);
    UK Credit rating - downgraded from AAA to AA;
    too early to measure the impact on unemployment (5% in April 2016)
    racial abuse in the UK increased significantly since referendum day - the BREXITER rats come out of their holes
    Scotland as well as Northern Ireland ask for independence referendums from the UK
    NZ immigration received in the 4 days since the referendum more info requests from the UK than they normally get in a month;

    If you don't know what a Pyrrhic victory is - just look at this mess; Amazing that some people in this thread think that they have a reason to celebrate ...
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    While a majority voted to leave the EU, a very small minority of Brits voted for UKIP. The media can always find some redneck racists and economically clueless simpletons to provide infotainment - and any of us on the other side of the world can relate to it. But pro
    brexit' ex-pats I know are not anti-free trade or even immigration. They are simply fed up with the undemocratic bureaucratic nightmare that is Brussels.
    The EU have 10 000 officials earning more than the UK Prime Minister, the parliament has no power to even introduce or repeal laws, and their EU laws go from 31 regulating toothbrushes to 109 about pillows to 1246 regarding bread. (Check out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0 at 33:28 for the laws (hilarious)... all is eye-opening)

    Of course there cannot be a second referendum.
    On the other hand, Nigel Farage will not be PM, Parliament is still sovereign and a majority of voters would support a deal with the EU even if it retained fairly open borders (as per the Norwegians and Swiss).
    Britain wouldn't accept paying the dues Norway does but holds two strong cards. Firstly, it imports more from than the EU than it exports (German cars etc). Secondly, many EU economies are fragile - witness the far greater fall in EU stockmarkets (and rising bond yields) than the FTSE.
    Provided the likes of Merkel have sufficient leverage over Brussels, I'm hoping there will soon be a commitment to conclude an initial free trade deal prior to the UK exit in 2 years (nothing like a deadline to get things moving) and everything will settle down. If not, I do have some concerns about the fragile Euro economies and financial contagion.
    Just my 2 cents
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    Default Britain is far from DOOMED

    Can't believe the amount of over hype rubbish on BREXIT of late ....on CNBC -Larry summers just stated its the worse outcome since WW2
    F.F.S!!!

    Another over-hyped DOOM GLOOM getting pumped of late ... is the UK not having a plan on the exit etc .....well neither does the EU.

    "The EU's leadership has demanded Britain activate Article 50 exit talks "as soon as possible" as they attempt to end the uncertainty over the bloc"

    If you can work it out read it again ...."the UK will decide when it will leaves " so they haven't of course activated Article 50 ....but once they have.. then they have two years to negotiate the terms of its withdrawal. Extra time would only be allowed if the remaining 27 states all agreed...



    the clock would only start once Britain formally notified the European Council.
    While David Cameron says voters would expect the process of leaving to begin straight away, he could delay and negotiate informally in the meantime.
    Britain could technically even ignore all of this, the Vote Leave campaign says, and simply write the EU out of its laws, although that wouldn't make future negotiations any easier.
    At the heart of this debate, then, is a question: how successful would British negotiators be at doing a deal with the EU, both for a short-term agreement to part, and a longer term trade settlement?
    Take one view, and you think complicated talks would take many years and, as the government argues, lead to a decade or more of uncertainty.
    Take another, and you think a huge - and hugely important - economy like Britain's is one with which the EU needs to do business, and so could extract an excellent deal.....

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-...endum-35926576
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkHorse View Post
    The EU have 10 000 officials earning more than the UK Prime Minister, the parliament has no power to even introduce or repeal laws, and their EU laws go from 31 regulating toothbrushes to 109 about pillows to 1246 regarding bread. (Check out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0 at 33:28 for the laws (hilarious)... all is eye-opening)
    Well, given that British prime ministers appear to be lately either spineless or clowns or both (looking at the incumbent as well as at the likely successor) there is perhaps a reason that they pay some EU officials more than the British PM's ?

    But seriously ... yes, there is a large EU bureaucracy. On the other hand - travelling myself frequently through Europe I find that bread (one of your examples) in Europe (and I mean Europe, not in the UK) is much better, fresher and tastier than in NZ. I do know a German baker quite well - and she appears to be not too worried about all the rules you mentioned when she bakes fresh bread. I assume most of these rules are anyway common sense for people who like good food. I acknowledge however that this excludes many British people .

    And if you look at your other example - toothbrushes ... I don't know how many rules they have in Europe for them, but I know that I pay in a European supermarket half the price for a good toothbrush I would pay in NZ. Maybe - all these rules (if they really exist) are not that bad at all and help to protect the consumers?
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    Ah!

    So the Brits voted to exit so they could set the rules for their own bread and toothbrushes!


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    No matter what happens now, this Brexit thing will be resolved. Whether you like it or not depends on how you judge the outcome eventually to your liking. Sometimes, chaos is good. In fact there is even orderliness in chaos

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    Quote Originally Posted by macduffy View Post
    Ah!

    So the Brits voted to exit so they could set the rules for their own bread and toothbrushes!

    Good observation ... I guess the Brits like their traditions of sub-standard food and expensive merchandise. Obviously - they voted as well against deflation and for falling house prices. Win-win;

    Looks like the story keep s unfolding ... who would want a good credit rating? http://news.sky.com/story/1718459/uk...w-after-brexit
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkHorse View Post
    The EU have 10 000 officials earning more than the UK Prime Minister, the parliament has no power to even introduce or repeal laws, and their EU laws go from 31 regulating toothbrushes to 109 about pillows to 1246 regarding bread. (Check out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0 at 33:28 for the laws (hilarious)... all is eye-opening)
    John Oliver had something to say on those touted 109 pillow regulations:

    "We blew up that frame...the problem is, most have nothing to do with actual pillows".

    For instance: a breakfast cereal that is cut into 'pillow' shaped pieces; a merger between two auto-part companies that included the phrase 'pillow ball joints'; in reference to a pillow shaped foot pump used for inflating an air mattress.

    He goes on to point out that if the UK want to continue trading with Europe (and presumably they do), then they'll have to meet those '109 pillow regulations' anyway.

    https://youtu.be/iAgKHSNqxa8

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    At the very least the UK can now negotiate trade agreements with EU countries. Rather than only doing what they are told.

    Certainly there will need to be payments and concessions made to the EU (as Switzerland and Norway do, for example), but UK is a much larger buying market so will have more clout. All of those massive trucks travelling through the Tunnel still need to sell their goods to the UK, or their suppliers will fail.

    And if the pound stays lowish the UK should find a ready market elsewhere in the world for their production.

    Not saying it will be simple but there will be a whole bunch of UK bureaucrats in the EU with not much else to do.

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    Default One picture says more than 1000 words - BREXIT explained ...

    Brexit-explained with food.jpg

    Love it - photo with regards from a previous poster (Crackity)
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    Quote Originally Posted by artemis View Post
    At the very least the UK can now negotiate trade agreements with EU countries. Rather than only doing what they are told.

    Certainly there will need to be payments and concessions made to the EU (as Switzerland and Norway do, for example), but UK is a much larger buying market so will have more clout. All of those massive trucks travelling through the Tunnel still need to sell their goods to the UK, or their suppliers will fail.

    And if the pound stays lowish the UK should find a ready market elsewhere in the world for their production.

    Not saying it will be simple but there will be a whole bunch of UK bureaucrats in the EU with not much else to do.
    Did it ever occurred to you that the Brits might not be able anymore to pay for the goods on these massive trucks? Just wait for the well paid London bankers to move to Europe ... no need to truck their BMW's in future through the tunnel
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPeter View Post
    Did it ever occurred to you that the Brits might not be able anymore to pay for the goods on these massive trucks? Just wait for the well paid London bankers to move to Europe ... no need to truck their BMW's in future through the tunnel
    Heh, more likely to be cabbages and spring onions than BMWs. And if there is an oversupply what happens to the price?

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    Quote Originally Posted by artemis View Post
    Heh, more likely to be cabbages and spring onions than BMWs. And if there is an oversupply what happens to the price?

    automotive industry in the United Kingdom is now best known for premium and sports car marques including Aston Martin, Bentley, Caterham Cars, Daimler, Jaguar, Lagonda, Land Rover, Lotus, McLaren, MG, Mini, Morgan and Rolls-Royce. Volume car manufacturers with a major presence in the UK include Honda, Nissan, Toyota and Vauxhall Motors....

    watch these brands do better in the UK
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