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    Even scarier from Guy:

    https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/s...53258633441281

    He is a very scary man indeed. Might as well remove all notions of democracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackcap View Post
    Even scarier from Guy:

    https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/s...53258633441281

    He is a very scary man indeed. Might as well remove all notions of democracy.
    Link does not work. What did it purport to show?

    Anyway not as scary as the report into Russian interference in UK that Boris Johnson refuses to publish?

    Not as scary as PM Johnson unlawfully getting the Queen to suspend parliament?

    Not as scary as the deceptions plastered on the side of red buses?

    Not as scary as Farage standing in front of a poster of Syrian immigrants, airbrushed to remove the white faces?

    Not to mention the deceptions over Eastern Europeans in the UK and the spectre of Turkey joining free movement....

    The threats to UK democracy come from many sides. One EU official is the least of the worries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjauck View Post
    Link does not work. What did it purport to show?

    Anyway not as scary as the report into Russian interference in UK that Boris Johnson refuses to publish?

    Not as scary as PM Johnson unlawfully getting the Queen to suspend parliament?

    Not as scary as the deceptions plastered on the side of red buses?

    Not as scary as Farage standing in front of a poster of Syrian immigrants, airbrushed to remove the white faces?

    Not to mention the deceptions over Eastern Europeans in the UK and the spectre of Turkey joining free movement....

    The threats to UK democracy come from many sides. One EU official is the least of the worries.
    If you click "try again" it does come up. But here is what he tweeted.


    #Brexit is a failure of the Union. There is a lesson to learn from it: to deeply reform the Union. To make it into a real Union, a Union without opt-in, without opt-outs, without rebates, without exceptions. Only then we can defend our interests and defend our values.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackcap View Post
    If you click "try again" it does come up. But here is what he tweeted.


    #Brexit is a failure of the Union. There is a lesson to learn from it: to deeply reform the Union. To make it into a real Union, a Union without opt-in, without opt-outs, without rebates, without exceptions. Only then we can defend our interests and defend our values.
    Ok Thanks - I still can't open the link but I am using safari which has its limitations...

    I guess he was promoting a type of a more unified federal Europe in the mould of democratic federal states such as Canada, the USA, Australia etc.- not necessarily anti-democratic. Or, Perhaps almost as anti-democratic as the UK from the point of view of Scotland, which voted overwhelmingly for remain and for non-Conservative MPs, yet still was taken out of the EU by English Conservative MPs.

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    Who will pay for the loss of the UK’s net contribution to the EU? The first post Brexit EU budget strikes problems as net contributors don’t want to pay more and net recipients do not want to receive less.

    Down the line, if there’s a hard Brexit with barriers resulting in less EU-UK trade, then there could be a further difficulty if the EU funding from tax also drops.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...exit-shortfall

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    Default So Long, And Thanks For All The Fish?

    It looks like fish will be a big bone of contention with Macron saying it may make reaching a deal before the expiry of the transition period impossible. It looks like the EU may make the continuation of fishing rights in British waters a prerequisite for a post Brexit deal.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-deal-possible

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    As Corona Virus looks like it may put the World into recession, Brexit is shaping up to be a further stress to the international economy and more specifically the UK and Europe. The UK is making statements contrary to the treaty it has already struck with the EU. Johnson is determined to exit the UK transition at the end of the year. Given today's global circumstances, that is looking increasingly reckless. However Brexit was driven by ideology.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...al-eu-tells-uk

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    The Express is up in arms that the EU could block the UK from any virus vaccine developed in the EU as the UK will no longer be a member of the European Medicines Agency. I thought that this is a natural consequence of bringing back control - something that The Express has tirelessly promoted. If the UK is no longer a member of the club, it does not get the benefits. It seems that the Express wants a double serving of cake, without contributing the ingredients. You can't just cherry pick what you want. Metaphors that the Express would love.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...nson-extension

    BRITONS have reacted angrily to a professor's suggestion that the European Union could delay the UK's access to a coronavirus vaccine after the Brexit transition period has come to a close.
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    Playing politics with a Pandemic - not a good look for anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dobby41 View Post
    Playing politics with a Pandemic - not a good look for anyone.
    The trouble is Brexit has been and is all about the politics and ideology. Pragmatism is a dirty word and it is all about the so-called "bringing back control" for Boris Johnson and his sweeping majority. So he is sticking to his self-imposed deadlines and dogma, come hell or high water.

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    Default Brexit or Coronavirus?

    Did the UK decide not to join, despite still being entitled to, a joint European plan to purchase medical supplies because it was keen to shown that it was Brexiting?
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-say-officials

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    I would like to know for whom he is Brexiting come what may. Of the Brexiter supporters It was the retired folk who wanted it in the greatest proportion in 2016. Yet The Brexit leaders Johnson and Cummings have more or less left them to play Russian roulette with Covid as a result of their failed herd immunity.

    So the younger folk, with more European inclination than their elders, whose business and employment is impaired as a result of Covid are going to have their EU market severely impaired by Johnson’s determination to Brexit in the hardest and most disruptive manner. It looks like Cummings is getting what seem to be his disaster capitalism dreams fulfilled.
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    Brexit may already have affected the UK ability to handle the epidemic as many of its public service resources had been diverted to Brexit issues. However it is an issue that cannot go away as the UK gets closer to the end of the transition period.

    Meanwhile support for rejoining the EU has increased to 56.8% up from 49.9% two years ago. Only 35% want to remain outside the EU. Yet Cummings (one rule for him, another for the plebs) and Boris are determined for the hardest and most disruptive form of Brexit.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/25/u...gbr/index.html

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    I wonder how those Brexit voters, who had felt threatened from EU freedom of movement, feel about the UK now offering millions of Hong Kongers the right to move to the UK..and at at time when the UK is amongst the worst impacted OECD countries from Covid, economically and medically.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-53246899
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjauck View Post
    I wonder how those Brexit voters, who had felt threatened from EU freedom of movement, feel about the UK now offering millions of Hong Kongers the right to move to the UK..and at at time when the UK is amongst the worst impacted OECD countries from Covid, economically and medically.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-53246899
    Well, lets face it - BREXIT was always about removing workers rights and worsening working conditions to allow the rich Brits to better compete against the EU by availing themselves to a pool of cheap quasi-slave labor.

    I recon the new ex Hongkong Brits will be well versed in this game ... and I suppose it won't be the exploited workers who can afford to move to the UK, but it will be the rich exploiters.

    Too bad for the poor BREXITEERS - but honestly, I think they get their well deserved punishment.
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    Whither Brexit Britain?
    Many Brexiteers had said Britain should hitch herself to high-growth Asia rather than stagnant Europe. With the UK stance on Hong Kong, presumably the biggest Asian powerhouse of China is now off that menu. Will it be Putin's Russia, Trump's USA or Modi's India now?

    After all what would have been the point of Brexit, stirring up division and hate, if they seek to continue to align themselves, with respect to policy and governance, closely with the liberal developed democracies in the EU?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjauck View Post
    Whither Brexit Britain?
    Many Brexiteers had said Britain should hitch herself to high-growth Asia rather than stagnant Europe. With the UK stance on Hong Kong, presumably the biggest Asian powerhouse of China is now off that menu. Will it be Putin's Russia, Trump's USA or Modi's India now?

    After all what would have been the point of Brexit, stirring up division and hate, if they seek to continue to align themselves, with respect to policy and governance, closely with the liberal developed democracies in the EU?
    Aah - but they get back their "sovereignty", don't they? Whatever that is these days and whatever it's worth.


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    Quote Originally Posted by macduffy View Post
    Aah - but they get back their "sovereignty", don't they? Whatever that is these days and whatever it's worth.
    As just a mid-size power now, they will soon see that "sovereignty" is difficult to keep unless they want to become isolated and poor?

    A Brexit based on fables and fictions. I think Johnson likes to casts himself and his Brexit to the readers of the tabloid press as if he were a Virgin Queen with the heart of a man at Tilbury rallying the folk against the EU Armada seeking to enslave Albion. It is in his interest to continue to cast Brexit as a British struggle for independence, as otherwise he would need to produce a deal for the UK, that he had previously promised was "oven ready" and "great."
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