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    Quote Originally Posted by dobby41 View Post
    Not sure what you are trying to say.
    25% of people say they are Republicans but 43% of the watchers were Republican - so they were over-represented (almost double).

    Yes - 36% of Democrats liked his speech - SO?
    Given that Republicans were over-represented in watching and they love Trump then the stats are tilted.

    At the end of the day it isn't about his talk - it's about his walk.
    See if he can compromise with the House Dems - continuing to ask for a down payment of $5.7bn for the wall woun't be a compromise really.
    And it is only a down payment for a wall that has become very expensive.

    His talk is mostly lies or inaccuracies - doesn't help the walk.
    Fascinating series 'Trump - An american Dream' on Netflix. Follows his career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dobby41 View Post
    Not sure what you are trying to say.
    25% of people say they are Republicans but 43% of the watchers were Republican - so they were over-represented (almost double).

    Yes - 36% of Democrats liked his speech - SO?
    Given that Republicans were over-represented in watching and they love Trump then the stats are tilted.

    At the end of the day it isn't about his talk - it's about his walk.
    See if he can compromise with the House Dems - continuing to ask for a down payment of $5.7bn for the wall woun't be a compromise really.
    And it is only a down payment for a wall that has become very expensive.

    His talk is mostly lies or inaccuracies - doesn't help the walk.

    Lets have a look at all the facts before opening our mouths aye...

    You guys quite happliy state that 25% of people identify as Republican without mentioning how many identify as Democrat, which sits at around 35%.
    So you are quiet incorrect in saying that Republicans where over represented by 50%.

    But hey don't let a few little facts get in the way of a good beat up.

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    https://theintercept.com/2019/02/06/...ly-separation/

    "Last night, Contreras was in Washington, D.C., listening to the man whose signature policies had incited those guards to tear Yakelyn away from her. President Donald Trump’s deluded fulminations against people like Contreras came to the fore again on Tuesday, as he stood on the dais and proclaimed that he was creating a “safe, lawful, modern, and secure” immigration system. And there Contreras was, with Yakelyn — it was the young girl’s 12th birthday — as special guests of Sen. Jeff Merkley, D-Ore., watching Trump spout his anti-immigrant anger to the nation."
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    https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/..._get_toug.html

    "Breaking ranks with Demcratic leaders, Oregon senators Ron Wyden and Jeff Merkley voted Wednesday to require the United States to build a fortified, 700-mile-long fence along the southern border to slow illegal immigration."

    "Sen.Merkley believes we must restore the rule of law when it comes to our immigration policy. Strengthening enforcement at our borders is a critical component of that effort,''

    The dems will flip flop on issues to win votes, and the suckers lap it up being told Trump is a Nazi.
    What a bunch of hypocritical twats.

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    More double standards from the left https://www.rt.com/usa/451010-kavana...ble-standards/

    What happened with Kavanaugh was atrocious, karma can be a b$%^$.
    The Democrats, their supporters and the anti-Trump brigade all believe they are so much better than Trump and his supporters.
    Putting themselves up on a moral and righteous pedestal, yet the evidence would suggest otherwise. When faced with their own indiscretions they turn the other cheek, don't what to know or doesn't evolve them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddles View Post
    Lets have a look at all the facts before opening our mouths aye...

    You guys quite happliy state that 25% of people identify as Republican without mentioning how many identify as Democrat, which sits at around 35%.
    So you are quiet incorrect in saying that Republicans where over represented by 50%.

    But hey don't let a few little facts get in the way of a good beat up.
    I'd suggest you go back to statistics class.

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    Trump's approval ratings are rising again and is it any wonder..

    https://nypost.com/2019/02/09/the-de...trumps-sanity/

    If you are of the mind that President Trump is to blame for everything wrong and wacky in our politics, then last week was a very bad week for you.

    The evidence begins with Trumpís very good State of the Union speech, where he was alternately conciliatory toward Democrats and ruthless in contrasting his policies with theirs. Reckless in their rhetoric and resistance, Dems make themselves vulnerable to charges that they support open borders, socialism and infanticide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackcap View Post
    Trump's approval ratings are rising again and is it any wonder..

    https://nypost.com/2019/02/09/the-de...trumps-sanity/

    If you are of the mind that President Trump is to blame for everything wrong and wacky in our politics, then last week was a very bad week for you.

    The evidence begins with Trump’s very good State of the Union speech, where he was alternately conciliatory toward Democrats and ruthless in contrasting his policies with theirs. Reckless in their rhetoric and resistance, Dems make themselves vulnerable to charges that they support open borders, socialism and infanticide.
    Lots of mean and dishonest crooks have and had a great approval rating. They are not a measure whether somebody is a decent human being and good for the country and the world.

    Approval ratings are a reflection on (next to many other components)
    - the quality of the system electing a politician
    - the quality of the system measuring the approval ratings
    - the intelligence (or lack there of) of a politicians supporters

    I hear the dear leader in North Korea has outrageously good approval ratings, and so has Putin. And this is not even considering a troubled past which soon could do be our future if we don't dam the populist cancer. Would you like to live under any of these people?

    I note as well that you are parroting Trumps stupid slogans. Did you thought about what you wrote before you posted it?

    Lets pick only one of your buzzwords - You call abortion infanticide. Now - this is a difficult discussion. Personally I do not like the idea of abortion either ... but I think it is worthwhile to reflect for a moment that there are on the other side of the argument as well rights which might be worthwhile considering. What if its the right of the mother to live vs the right of the child to live. Not so easy anymore, isn't it?

    Funny that the people who fight with all mud they can throw against abortion are quite happy that every year more than 30,000 innocent Americans are killed using gun violence. Funny that these people claim ethical high ground when it comes to the killing of a foetus but they are quite happy that the US justice system is killing grown people, some of them guilty of a crime and some (roughly 10%) of them innocent?

    How is it ok that refugees are send back "home" only to be killed by crooks even worse than Trump and his lackeys and how is it ok that US authorities are directly responsible for the deaths of refugee children through Trumps policy of maximum harrassment?

    Your ethical standards seem to have quite big blinkers ...

    But apart from that - Trumps approval rating as of today is 40.2 %. His disapproval rating is 55.1 %;
    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...roval-ratings/

    Maybe a good rating for the crook, liar and idiot running the white house ... but nothing any decent politician would be proud to crow about. But hey - I suppose pride has nothing to do with it?
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    Rep. Al Green (D-Texas) announced this week that he will call for a third vote on the impeachment of Donald Trump. Why? Because Trump is a "racist".

    But get this, "Pelosi has insisted that any impeachment effort be put on hold until evidence of an impeachable offence is found."
    So we are seeing a 3rd vote on impeachment, when there is no evidence of an impeachable offence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddles View Post
    Rep. Al Green (D-Texas) announced this week that he will call for a third vote on the impeachment of Donald Trump. Why? Because Trump is a "racist".

    But get this, "Pelosi has insisted that any impeachment effort be put on hold until evidence of an impeachable offence is found."
    So we are seeing a 3rd vote on impeachment, when there is no evidence of an impeachable offence.
    I never knew that there were 2 others.
    I do love the 'wait until there is evidence' bit - God help America.

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    Agree with Nancy ... any impeachment proceedings against the crook would only help him by rallying the crowds who don't use their brain to make political decisions, while unimpeached he can continue to damage the Republican Party. It will take generations for the GoP to recover from Trumps legacy - I guess really - who would want to vote for a party which so easily gave up all ethical standards and any decency to submit to a liar and a crook without conscience?

    As well - impeaching Trump would bring Pence - are we sure he is better?

    So, why would the Democrates want to stop this process?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPeter View Post
    Agree with Nancy ... any impeachment proceedings against the crook would only help him by rallying the crowds who don't use their brain to make political decisions, while unimpeached he can continue to damage the Republican Party. It will take generations for the GoP to recover from Trumps legacy - I guess really - who would want to vote for a party which so easily gave up all ethical standards and any decency to submit to a liar and a crook without conscience?

    As well - impeaching Trump would bring Pence - are we sure he is better?

    So, why would the Democrates want to stop this process?
    BP it's a bit rich you calling him a crook with your past, but then again I guess it takes one to know one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPeter View Post

    Lets pick only one of your buzzwords - You call abortion infanticide. Now - this is a difficult discussion. Personally I do not like the idea of abortion either ... but I think it is worthwhile to reflect for a moment that there are on the other side of the argument as well rights which might be worthwhile considering. What if its the right of the mother to live vs the right of the child to live. Not so easy anymore, isn't it?
    Well its because the governor of Blackface infamy was supporting a bill (Democratic) that allowed post birth abortions. I am not comfortable with that at all.....

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ion-BIRTH.html

    have a listen to the radio interview with him.

    I do not call abortion infanticide. I do call post birth abortion infanticide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackcap View Post
    Well its because the governor of Blackface infamy was supporting a bill (Democratic) that allowed post birth abortions. I am not comfortable with that at all.....

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ion-BIRTH.html

    have a listen to the radio interview with him.

    I do not call abortion infanticide. I do call post birth abortion infanticide.
    "Post birth abortion" is murder ... and it is certainly not a mainstream liberal proposal to decriminalise murder.

    Ah yes - and Virginia's governor did never propose this. You are just a vicitim of Trumps lies and the parrots spreading them.

    Here’s what the fuss is about:

    The Virginia bill ― which is not likely to pass the state’s Republican-controlled House and has been tabled ― would loosen abortion restrictions there.

    Currently, late-term abortions are legal in Virginia only under strict circumstances. The measure introduced by state Rep. Kathy Tran, a Democrat, would remove language requiring that a pregnancy’s risk to the mother be “substantial and irremediable.” The proposal would also change the number of doctors required to sign off on a late-term abortion, from three to one, provided that it is performed in a licensed hospital and that not doing so would “impair the mental or physical health” of the mother or result in her death.

    The law would apply up to ― but not including ― birth.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b043e25b1a5cb3

    On the other hand - Trump and his gun lobby are responsible for the killing of innocent people every day ...
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    A powerful recent video of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez calling for campaign finance law reforms in the United States is now the most-viewed video featuring a politician in Twitter's history. Ms Ocasio-Cortez asked whether the President was subject to stricter laws than those for Congress.
    Walter Shaub, the director of the Campaign Legal Center and a former head of the US Office of Government Ethics, confirmed that the opposite is true. "There's almost no laws at all that apply to the President," he said.
    "So I'm being held ó and every person in this body is being held to a higher ethical standard than the President of the United States?"
    "That's right."
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/new...ectid=12203250

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddles View Post
    Your sources are biased and unreliable.

    Did he not re-open the government in order to broker a deal? The dems said they would negotiate once the government was re-opened, they haven't.

    Your jealously of Trump is obvious and I find it quiet sad that he owns so much of your head space.
    Seems maybe the Dems were brokering a deal but you didn't know - or assumed they weren't - or it didn't suit the narrative.

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