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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaygor1 View Post
    Chose a historically reputable news site and clicked on your Aljazerra link BP.

    Overcrowding of holding facilities of Mexicans no doubt exploiting or involving their kids in their illegal and unlawful activities.
    Just shows the extent of the problem and how badly it needs addressing.
    Described as 'horrifying' by you guessed it, Democratic legislators.

    Fenced off behind a holding area. Yes
    With parents/guardians.. appears so.

    Jailed. No
    Caged. No

    I wonder if these Mexicans are free to go any time they want.... back to where they came from.
    It appears so, or are these the ones caught drug-couriering and the like?
    The USA has been interfering in the politics of South American countries for a long time. The result has been disastrous for the economies and the people of many countries. To say the migrants come from Mexico is misleading as many are fleeing other countries regimes.
    Trump would be better served spending the money improving the living conditions of the migrants in their home countries instead of on his copy of the Berlin wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westerly View Post
    The USA has been interfering in the politics of South American countries for a long time. The result has been disastrous for the economies and the people of many countries. To say the migrants come from Mexico is misleading as many are fleeing other countries regimes.
    Trump would be better served spending the money improving the living conditions of the migrants in their home countries instead of on his copy of the Berlin wall.

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    I think your right about the interference Westerly, but more than just politically. I recall sending a postcard to my parents in NZ from Colombia back in August 2005 (happened to be while hurricane Katrina was hitting New Orleans).
    Cost me a fortune (comparatively) as ALL postage had to go via the U.S. I have no idea how the States enforced this. The postcard was posted and was never seen again.
    I also recall it was not possible to get travel insurance at any price to go there (even though the last real uprising was 1985 I recall) so had to spend my 2 weeks there uninsured.

    On the other hand. Looking at the disaster called Venezuela, perhaps the US should have intervened both sooner, and to a greater extent.

    As for the wall, I think the cost of building and maintaining it would potentially be a waste. Too much boarder-length to police when a tunnel is all that is required to bypass it. Much cheaper to cram those caught into holding pens thus sending a very clear message about the potential consequences to those who want to risk illegal entry, especially those with children in tow. This is what Australia does now. Better for all (especially the children) to prevent the adults from trying in the 1st place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaygor1 View Post
    Chose a historically reputable news site and clicked on your Aljazerra link BP.

    Overcrowding of holding facilities of Mexicans no doubt exploiting or involving their kids in their illegal and unlawful activities.
    Just shows the extent of the problem and how badly it needs addressing.
    Described as 'horrifying' by you guessed it, Democratic legislators.

    Fenced off behind a holding area. Yes
    With parents/guardians.. appears so.

    Jailed. No
    Caged. No

    I wonder if these Mexicans are free to go any time they want.... back to where they came from.
    It appears so, or are these the ones caught drug-couriering and the like?
    Sure most of the pictures show children and grown ups. Are they related? Who knows? Many credible reports about children separated from their parents. So credible that even Trumps henchman had to react to them. How do you know they are Mexican? Did you check their passports? More likely is their families are refugees who tried to escape the drug wars or killing commandos in Venezuela (https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...maduro-barrios), El Salvador or many of the other central American terror regimes.

    But sure, there are as well in Mexico large areas where people need to fear for their daily lives - and they die in drug wars, through other criminal activities or just "disappear".

    Your lack of empathy for these people is amazing. Ever thought that it was just chance of luck that you were born in a safer place? What would you do if you see people being killed all around you and you want to raise your family safely?

    Move to a better place as you or your forebears did and than kick anybody else who wants to follow ...?


    Jailed. No
    Caged. No
    Not jailed? You are right - no court of law convicted them of anything. They did nothing wrong - asking for asylum is a basic human right, but Trump's henchman still hold them (often indefinitely) in detention.

    Not caged? Well, it depends on your definition of a cage ... would you want to live squeezed together in a small area behind a wire fence with many others? If it would be you behind the fence and afraid to go home to the killer commandos and drug wars - how would you call this, if not "caged"?
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    Exactly. Those who lack basic compassion would do well to remember the old saying .... “There, but for the grace of God, go I.”


    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPeter View Post
    Your lack of empathy for these people is amazing. Ever thought that it was just chance of luck that you were born in a safer place? What would you do if you see people being killed all around you and you want to raise your family safely?

    Move to a better place as you or your forebears did and than kick anybody else who wants to follow ...?

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    Report from one of the US American concentration camps ...

    A migrant detention center in the U.S., filled with misery
    Lawmakers return to Washington today after a weeklong recess, preparing to confront the accounts of squalor in detention facilities at the border with Mexico.
    One run by Customs and Border Protection in Clint, Tex., has become the public face of the border chaos. A review of the center’s operations reveals that hundreds of children were housed there in cramped cells for weeks with no supplies to clean themselves. They sometimes slept on the floor, went hungry, and suffered through outbreaks of scabies, shingles and chickenpox.
    The review shows that the agency’s leadership knew for months of the conditions. Its own agents raised the alarm.
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...rol-clint.html

    I find it hard to understand that fellow human beings are supporting and applauding these conditions and the crooks running this regime. But it fits to the title of this thread ... how low can one go ...?
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    What these despicable human beings don’t have the intelligence to comprehend, is the level of trauma these children (and families) will be experiencing. That trauma will be huge and will be long lasting. The situation is unforgivable and those who are enabling it to continue, and those who support, should be ashamed of themselves.


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    Report from one of the US American concentration camps ...



    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...rol-clint.html

    I find it hard to understand that fellow human beings are supporting and applauding these conditions and the crooks running this regime. But it fits to the title of this thread ... how low can one go ...?

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    Default ‘It Could Have Been Any of Us’

    Quite amusing: Everybody can see that the guy running the white house is ways out of his depth and any ambassador doing their job had to communicate this to his/her government.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/10/w...och-trump.html

    Poor Darroch got outed for doing his job, probably by a Brexiting traitor in the own ranks, not caring about damaging the national interest.

    Amazing - just the Trump supporters and the Brexiters can't see what's happening - and the UK is still crawling a bit higher into Trumps ar$e.

    How low can one go ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPeter View Post
    Quite amusing: Everybody can see that the guy running the white house is ways out of his depth and any ambassador doing their job had to communicate this to his/her government.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/10/w...och-trump.html

    Poor Darroch got outed for doing his job, probably by a Brexiting traitor in the own ranks, not caring about damaging the national interest.

    Amazing - just the Trump supporters and the Brexiters can't see what's happening - and the UK is still crawling a bit higher into Trumps ar$e.

    How low can one go ...
    Low enough to deny you were ever friends when they're under the blowtorch.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019...new-york-times

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    I'm sure glad we're not residing in the US of A today where coloured skin women and congresswomen at that were told to go back somewhere. How much lower can this Vulgar_ian comedian occupying the WH go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RGR367 View Post
    I'm sure glad we're not residing in the US of A today where coloured skin women and congresswomen at that were told to go back somewhere. How much lower can this Vulgar_ian comedian occupying the WH go?
    Given 3 of the 4 'come from' the USA (born in the USA) he really does have the wrong end of the stick - not for the first or last time.

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    His real estate company tried to avoid renting apartments to African-American tenants. He described “laziness” as “a trait in blacks.” He called for five black and Latino teenagers to be executed — and then insisted on their guilt even after DNA evidence proved their innocence.

    He rose to prominence in the Republican Party by questioning the citizenship of the first black president. He launched his presidential campaign by saying Mexican immigrants were “rapists.” His political organization created a television advertisement that Fox News pulled for being too racist.

    He frequently criticizes prominent African-Americans for being unpatriotic, ungrateful, disrespectful or unintelligent. He mocks Native Americans and uses anti-Semitic stereotypes. He retweets white nationalists. He said that a violent white supremacist march included some “very fine people.” He regularly appoints people with a history of racist comments.

    And over the weekend, he told four nonwhite members of Congress — all citizens, of course, and three of them born in the United States — to “go back” to where they came from.

    President Trump doesn’t just make racist comments. He is a racist. He’s proven it again and again, over virtually his entire time as a public figure. His bigotry is a core part of his worldview, and it’s been central to his political rise.
    From today's NYT morning brief: https://static.nytimes.com/email-content/TY_15250.html

    I couldn't have expressed it better. Donald Trump is a sad old racist - but this is not the problem. We all know that there are bad and weird people around and he is one of them. The problem is that he knows that he is gaining votes with his sickening stance.

    Did America really went that low? Any decent people left on the Republican side? Now would be the time to tell him off instead of staying under the rock ...
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    Bolton (Trumps hawk) preparing for the UK to go into a war with Iran ...

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...wk-john-bolton

    Inexperienced PM who p*ssed off all of the UK's European friends happy to take the bait from the US bully ... what possibly can go wrong?

    Trump / Bolton get their war and the UK will be paying for it.
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