AIR - Air NZ.

**dobby41** · 26-05-2017, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Roger

AIR would actually be in a better position from a competitive point of view with its modern fleet with $70 oil.

And that is a key - cheap oil allows airlines with thirsty planes to compete easier.
If oil went back up many would stop flying some of the routes they do - competition would decrease.

**RTFQ** · 27-05-2017, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by winner69

FSM being Flight Services Manager - yes?

Affirmative......

**BlackPeter** · 29-05-2017, 09:47 AM

https://www.ft.com/content/36f5f2dc-...7-59b4dd6296b8

This is not an AIR problem, but the recent interruptions for BA are a welcome reminder how easy it is in the airline industry to lose hundreds of millions literally over night through an "out of the blue" event. And its not even necessary for a plane to crash - sounds like BA didn't plan for sufficient backup power supplies for their IT systems (or they didn't work).

While we don't know the cost of the tab yet for BA, a much shorter and similar interruption for Delta (only 8 hours) accrued to a loss of $100m.

Maybe a high risk premium is appropriate for such an industry - just imagine the wrong power supply for an AIR computer browning out ....

**arc** · 29-05-2017, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by BlackPeter

https://www.ft.com/content/36f5f2dc-...7-59b4dd6296b8

This is not an AIR problem, but the recent interruptions for BA are a welcome reminder how easy it is in the airline industry to lose hundreds of millions literally over night through an "out of the blue" event. And its not even necessary for a plane to crash - sounds like BA didn't plan for sufficient backup power supplies for their IT systems (or they didn't work).

While we don't know the cost of the tab yet for BA, a much shorter and similar interruption for Delta (only 8 hours) accrued to a loss of $150m in profits.

Maybe a high risk premium is appropriate for such an industry - just imagine the wrong power supply for an AIR computer browning out ....

A few years ago I had a tour of the AIR computing center and spent some time in interviews with various staff there, I was impressed with their thoughtful approach to mediating certain types of events, multiple cable entry/exit systems for the building, additional capacity wiring etc. I seem to remember backup diesel generators being a "standard" fixture for them.

**mondograss** · 29-05-2017, 10:13 AM

Been there, done that:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...BM-over-outage

I'm sure they learned from the experience (I'm equally sure that IBM learned as I'm pretty sure they lost the contract).

**Snow Leopard** · 29-05-2017, 10:41 AM

The questions for any business are
where is your backup data center and/or where is disaster recovery data center?
When did you last actually try to use it?

An IT power supply issue should not bring any company to it's knees!

Even I now have backup servers [in different countries] running my critical software.

Best Wishes
Paper Tiger

**dobby41** · 29-05-2017, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Paper Tiger

Even I now have backup servers [in different countries] running my critical software.

Best Wishes
Paper Tiger

Hopefully you also have backup access to those backup servers.
This is all only as strong as the weakest link.

**Snow Leopard** · 29-05-2017, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by dobby41

Hopefully you also have backup access to those backup servers.
This is all only as strong as the weakest link.

There is only one Paper Tiger.

Best Wishes
The Weakest Link

**dobby41** · 29-05-2017, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Paper Tiger

There is only one Paper Tiger.

Best Wishes
The Weakest Link

True that.
May point, in case it is missed, is that I have seen a lot of people do all sorts of things about data security and then find their company on its' knees because a cable was cut and they have lost Internet access.
They then complain loudly but the fact remains that they didn't plan properly - they didn't understand what ran their business.

**arc** · 29-05-2017, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by dobby41

True that.
May point, in case it is missed, is that I have seen a lot of people do all sorts of things about data security and then find their company on its' knees because a cable was cut and they have lost Internet access.
They then complain loudly but the fact remains that they didn't plan properly - they didn't understand what ran their business.

Very true.
And also when your supplier fails... as happened to Xero and many others, your up a creek...