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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    Are planes like cars ....once a lemon always a lemon?


    like once broken always sort of broken
    Yes.
    Rolls Royce are English.
    They should have brought USA GE engines.
    A friend of mine was an AIR captain.Flew the Frankfurt route.Could get to sleep with GE engines,but not with Rolls Royce.
    So still lemons.
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    Apparently the GE engines have just as many problems..
    Interested to see what replacement aircraft AIR can secure and how quickly...
    The fact they are looking for replacements would suggest this will take a fair while to sort out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny1 View Post
    Apparently the GE engines have just as many problems..
    Interested to see what replacement aircraft AIR can secure and how quickly...
    The fact they are looking for replacements would suggest this will take a fair while to sort out
    My speculative guess is Rolls Royce will be picking up the tab for the cost of leasing replacement aircraft as this is a known fault with early Trent 1000 engines
    https://www.theguardian.com/business...t-entire-fleet Won't surprise me if AIR replace the fan blades on all their early model engines as two engine out events for a small airline running about 12 of these early model engines is a fairly significant statistical event.
    Agree with you that GE engines for the Dreamliner have also been plagued with problems.
    One wonders if they aren't trying to push fuel efficiency too far with these tech engines ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    My speculative guess is Rolls Royce will be picking up the tab for the cost of leasing replacement aircraft as this is a known fault with early Trent 1000 engines
    https://www.theguardian.com/business...t-entire-fleet Won't surprise me if AIR replace the fan blades on all their early model engines as two engine out events for a small airline running about 12 of these early model engines is a fairly significant statistical event.
    Agree with you that GE engines for the Dreamliner have also been plagued with problems.
    One wonders if they aren't trying to push fuel efficiency too far with these tech engines ?
    Yep the new engines certainly seem to be the main cause of problems with modern aircraft. The Airbus NEO aircraft have been delayed significantly due to issues with their new geared turbofan engines.

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    "At this stage we do not anticipate any change to current guidance"

    Well damn, buckle your seatbelts folks we might be in for a ride. Depending on the wording on the announcement, there isn't a clear indication on how many flights will be cancelled..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    My speculative guess is Rolls Royce will be picking up the tab for the cost of leasing replacement aircraft as this is a known fault with early Trent 1000 engines
    They won't pay for reputational damage.
    Some of the flights are delayed a long time affecting a lot of downstream travel plans.
    Cancelling the flights is worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dobby41 View Post
    They won't pay for reputational damage.
    Some of the flights are delayed a long time affecting a lot of downstream travel plans.
    Cancelling the flights is worse.
    Yeah this is the real cost. With this issue effecting this aircraft type around the world it doesn't take long for the travelling public to get anxious about flying this aircraft..
    If the 787 were to lose it's 350 minute(?) EDTO rating this could restrict some AIR flights inparticular EZE meaning 777's would have to take over those service's

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    Quote Originally Posted by value_investor View Post
    "At this stage we do not anticipate any change to current guidance"

    Well damn, buckle your seatbelts folks we might be in for a ride. Depending on the wording on the announcement, there isn't a clear indication on how many flights will be cancelled..
    Exact wording is here https://www.nzx.com/announcements/311575
    No need to get too excited. This announcement was released at 1.44 p.m. and the market took it in its stride. Shares were actually one of the top performers on the day.

    Quote Originally Posted by dobby41 View Post
    They won't pay for reputational damage.
    Some of the flights are delayed a long time affecting a lot of downstream travel plans.
    Cancelling the flights is worse.
    **** happens from time to time. They're doing all they can including trying to source replacement aircraft.
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    List of cancellations and delays

    Apparently to be updated regularly

    https://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/trav...7MMM2vslMFiJL7
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