AIR - Air NZ.

[Joshuatree]

The times they are a changing -bob dylan
Boeing bets on robot pilots, air taxis with Aurora takeover Computer algorithms and artificial intelligence are set to play a key role in flying.

[Beagle]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ectid=12066924

[Raz]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ectid=12066924

However do you get much more than half a seat to travel on :-)

[Sideshow Bob]

However do you get much more than half a seat to travel on :-)

Same seat width as Air NZ Dreamliner - 17.2" but pitch is 29" on China Southern, but 31-32" on Air NZ.

[Beagle]

Same seat width as Air NZ Dreamliner - 17.2" but pitch is 29" on China Southern, but 31-32" on Air NZ.

There's the catch right there. Nightmareliner seat width is a joke but that pitch For anyone over 5ft 10 that is absolutely intolerable on long haul. Good friend of mine who's 5 ft 11 and a relatively trim 85kg's said he simply didn't fit into the China Southern seat and told me it was the most excruciating long haul trip of his entire lifetime. As Raz quite correctly quipped, you're basically getting half a seat

[Raz]

Sounds right Beagle :-) Interesting piece below...on AIRs 787 engines...

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ectid=12068039

[Beagle]

Makes you wonder if these engines will always have a weakness even when patched up and also whether the so called newer Ten version will be durable.
I see AIR's problems with these engines stretching well past this winter.
Its not a given that they will get their 330 mins ETOPS rating back either.

[winner69]

Makes you wonder if these engines will always have a weakness even when patched up and also whether the so called newer Ten version will be durable.
I see AIR's problems with these engines stretching well past this winter.
Its not a given that they will get their 330 mins ETOPS rating back either.

Like I said before once broken always broken or not quite right ever again

[Beagle]

Like I said before once broken always broken or not quite right ever again

Hmmmm...yes I think if you push an engine right out to the edge of the technological envelope in the search for fuel efficiency you can create systemic weaknesses.
Good example in the automotive field that's easier for a lot of us to understand is the BMW N63 V8 petrol engine. https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...ns-bmw-n63-v8/ In a nutshell BMW went on a mission to create a very fuel efficient V8 engine to meet new mandated fuel efficiency standards and now customers are facing numerous issues.

Rolls Royce probably pushing that engine too far in the hope of new efficiencies and now there are two separate serious issues which may be systemic weaknesses not properly fixed by the technical update that goes with the ten version ? Only time will tell if that latter ten version is durable and problem free, just like only time will tell if the updated BMW N63 tu2 engine will prove to be durable. Who wants to be a Guinea pig when they don't have to be !

[dreamcatcher]

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