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04-04-2020, 04:09 PM
#16341
Originally Posted by peat
"we even brought more currency into New Zealand for the banking system"
Excuse my ignorance, but what do they mean by that? Does it reference revenue from non NZ'ers?
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04-04-2020, 04:14 PM
#16342
Originally Posted by BlackPeter
True - but then, their planes won't magically disappear, and anybody buying them on the cheap from e.g. receiver liquidator might be able to start another low cost airline with the advantage that they can time when to start with the business ...
That's going to be a big problem for legacy carriers down the track. New entrants with dirt cheap planes, much cheaper labour from redundant staff desperate to get back into the industry and cheap fuel without legacy fuel hedging issues = some very important commercial advantages.
Ecclesiastes 11:2: “Divide your portion to seven, or even to eight, for you do not know what misfortune may occur on the earth.”
Ben Graham - In the short run the market is a voting machine but in the long run the market is a weighing machine
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04-04-2020, 04:28 PM
#16343
Originally Posted by Beagle
That's going to be a big problem for legacy carriers down the track. New entrants with dirt cheap planes, much cheaper labour from redundant staff desperate to get back into the industry and cheap fuel without legacy fuel hedging issues = some very important commercial advantages.
You're dead right. Air NZ etc need to use this as a proper reset, not just expect tax payers to tide them over and hope to come out the other side BAU with their fat salaries. There is no way they can feasibly operate at a much reduced size while only axing 30% of the current labour base. Tough as it will be to swallow, realistically they need to have everyone reapply for their jobs at rates more in line with the new paradigm. But I guess that won't happen under the left leaning government, so we'll be shafted as tax payers and also on domestic flights for a long time to come.
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04-04-2020, 04:44 PM
#16344
Crikey, even Buffet dropping Berkshire's investments in airlines.......see article here.
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04-04-2020, 04:50 PM
#16345
Originally Posted by Left field
Crikey, even Buffet dropping Berkshire's investments in airlines....... see article here.
..but warren should have listened to beagle and sold out completely
”When investors are euphoric, they are incapable of recognising euphoria itself “
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04-04-2020, 05:37 PM
#16346
Breaking News :
Virgin Airlines shut down NZ operations - 600 staff redundant.
Union disappointed that Virgin did not attempt to at least obtain the wage subsidy from NZ government to tide the next few months over.
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04-04-2020, 05:38 PM
#16347
Originally Posted by winner69
..but warren should have listened to beagle and sold out completely
He probably should have just listened to himself and not have bought them in the first place :
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"Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future" (Niels Bohr)
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04-04-2020, 07:33 PM
#16348
Ecclesiastes 11:2: “Divide your portion to seven, or even to eight, for you do not know what misfortune may occur on the earth.”
Ben Graham - In the short run the market is a voting machine but in the long run the market is a weighing machine
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04-04-2020, 08:42 PM
#16349
Originally Posted by winner69
..but warren should have listened to beagle and sold out completely
And gone short?
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05-04-2020, 09:01 AM
#16350
Originally Posted by BlackPeter
He probably should have just listened to himself and not have bought them in the first place :
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/27/warr...ne-stocks.html
Why he bought :
"These aren’t last century’s airline companies, and that’s why legendary investor Warren Buffett is spending money on them."
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