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17-04-2020, 01:25 AM
#16521
Story is that all 777's are being grounded for a year, possible old -200 ones will never fly in AIR livery again.
Just under 1,000 long haul crew to go.
So much uncertainty over time-frames and demand makes it impossible to put a current value on AIR.
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17-04-2020, 09:02 AM
#16522
Originally Posted by Beagle
I think that's a very good point Matthew Goodson, MD of Salt Funds Management makes in that link you provided Beagle.
Many will be under the illusion the Rescue Package (actually a loan with high interest) is a Rescue Package for the owners i.e. shareholders, which of course it is not.
With costs far far outweighing revenue, & massive debt, remaining shareholders are going to get smashed.
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17-04-2020, 09:48 AM
#16523
Originally Posted by Blue Skies
I think that's a very good point Matthew Goodson, MD of Salt Funds Management makes in that link you provided Beagle.
Many will be under the illusion the Rescue Package (actually a loan with high interest) is a Rescue Package for the owners i.e. shareholders, which of course it is not.
With costs far far outweighing revenue, & massive debt, remaining shareholders are going to get smashed.
Like many on here of a certain age I have seen the effects on AIR from SARS, MERS, EBOLA, HINI, 9/11 the GFC and the crashes of the A320 in France and who can ever forget the haunting images permanently imprinted in our minds of the horrific DC10 crash at Mount Erebus.
From a business perspective the challenge AIR faces from Covid 19 is completely off the charts compared to any challenge ever faced before. I don't think the young ones understand this so they will have to learn the hard way. Nothing I can say on here will change the fact some people have to learn the hard way so I won't try too hard.
Last edited by Beagle; 17-04-2020 at 09:50 AM.
Ecclesiastes 11:2: “Divide your portion to seven, or even to eight, for you do not know what misfortune may occur on the earth.”
Ben Graham - In the short run the market is a voting machine but in the long run the market is a weighing machine
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17-04-2020, 09:49 AM
#16524
Originally Posted by Hoop
I agree with all that people left holding the bag will definitely be seeing some red in portfolio, but looking at depth looks like it's going to 133 on open and I suspect beyond that later in the day
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17-04-2020, 09:53 AM
#16525
Originally Posted by clip
I agree with all that people left holding the bag will definitely be seeing some red in portfolio, but looking at depth looks like it's going to 133 on open and I suspect beyond that later in the day
This could be why?
https://twitter.com/SaraWalker_IG/st...04305332346882
https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/16/...-to-treatment/
“The severely hit patients are at such high-risk of fatality. So if it’s true that many of the 113 patients were in this category and were discharged, it’s another positive signal that the drug has efficacy,” he said, adding that it will be important to see more data from randomized controlled studies.
Last edited by blackcap; 17-04-2020 at 10:00 AM.
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17-04-2020, 10:18 AM
#16526
A "successful" treatment will allow the economy to return to "normal" a lot quicker than a vaccine
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17-04-2020, 11:10 AM
#16527
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ectid=12324948
16 777's now effectively rendered almost worthless ?
It didn't take them long to burn through their own $1.000m in cash did it ! Now looking at drawing down on the $900m Govt loan. That should see them through to June or July 2020 but after that ?
Ecclesiastes 11:2: “Divide your portion to seven, or even to eight, for you do not know what misfortune may occur on the earth.”
Ben Graham - In the short run the market is a voting machine but in the long run the market is a weighing machine
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17-04-2020, 11:14 AM
#16528
Junior Member
Ding! AIR just hit a 75% increase on their March low, now at $1.4...surely the ceiling has been hit, reality of AIR's dire situation must set in soon!
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17-04-2020, 11:21 AM
#16529
Originally Posted by Beagle
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ectid=12324948
16 777's now effectively rendered almost worthless ?
It didn't take them long to burn through their own $1.000m in cash did it ! Now looking at drawing down on the $900m Govt loan. That should see them through to June or July 2020 but after that ?
The article doesn't explicitly say that, does it? More than likely true but is there any data that actually confirms it?
"It now faces drawing on a $900m bailout loan from the Government as it burns through cash."
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17-04-2020, 12:00 PM
#16530
Member
Originally Posted by Flugenbear
Don't think I've ever seen such a screaming sell....ever....
I was a little premature....lol.
But now, surely...
Or have I missed something? Are they about to ramp up operations?
Share price seems to think so....
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