AIR - Air NZ.

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Interesting and informative article about the 787 and how they are performing in actual airline service, three years after delivery. Generally airlines seem to be happy with them, apart from the early glitches. Depending what measures you use and what planes are being replaced airlines are getting up to 27% savings on fuel, however up to 20% cost saving seems to be about the average on a per passenger basis.

The article is about the 787-8 and from what I hear the results from the 787-9 are slightly better. The reliability issues seem to be mostly fixed so Air New Zealand should be happy with the 787-9.

AirNZ have 10 787s on order and 10 options. I'm picking that they will take up all those options to replace the 777-200 aircraft by 2020 - there was some AirNZ advice a while back that the 777-200 were still good until about 2020.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...orming-405814/

They wouldn't replace 777-200's with 787s. The 777 fleet is used more in the North America market where their business and premium economy products are able to attract a higher margin when compared to Asia. Sources say they are either looking at 777X or airbus 350.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/air-new-zeal...vs-airbus-a350

[samdaman]

Just a small question. Does anyone know when the interim results are due? Must be soon?

[dingoNZ]

2014 Financial Year
27 February 2014	2014 Interim Results Announcement
27 August 2014	2014 Annual Results Announcement
30 September 2014	Annual Shareholders' Meeting

2015 ones will be in Feb

[Beagle]

Interesting and informative article about the 787 and how they are performing in actual airline service, three years after delivery. Generally airlines seem to be happy with them, apart from the early glitches. Depending what measures you use and what planes are being replaced airlines are getting up to 27% savings on fuel, however up to 20% cost saving seems to be about the average on a per passenger basis.

The article is about the 787-8 and from what I hear the results from the 787-9 are slightly better. The reliability issues seem to be mostly fixed so Air New Zealand should be happy with the 787-9.

AirNZ have 10 787s on order and 10 options. I'm picking that they will take up all those options to replace the 777-200 aircraft by 2020 - there was some AirNZ advice a while back that the 777-200 were still good until about 2020.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...orming-405814/

Thanks, made for a good read. I inferred the longer the sector the more the fuel saving relative to comparable type. Boeing has already gone on record saying AIR made a great customer for the 787-9 as they really push the operational limits of the aircraft and C.L. is on record saying fuel savings have slightly exceeded expectations.
Seems the third Dreamliner is already here or very close.
http://australianaviation.com.au/201...t-paine-field/

Anyone flown on one of these new birds and like to give some feedback ?

[Marilyn Munroe]

like to give some feedback ?

Well yes I would; on the issue of runaway events in 787 batteries.

The American National Transportation Safety Board has recently released its report on the battery fire in a 787 at Boston Airport.

http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2014/AIR1401.pdf

They were unable to establish the cause of this event. While there have been no recent occurances there is no assurance that it will not happen again. Boeing have made changes to mitigate the effects of such an event should it reoccur, but I wouln't want to be in one of these planes over the South Australian Bight if it did.


Boop boop de do
Marilyn

[Beagle]

http://www.airnewzealand.com/dreamli...n#!/experience

[Robomo]

They wouldn't replace 777-200's with 787s. The 777 fleet is used more in the North America market where their business and premium economy products are able to attract a higher margin when compared to Asia. Sources say they are either looking at 777X or airbus 350.
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The only North American destination for the 777-200 is Vancouver, all other routes are operated by the 777-300. the -200 is mostly used on Asian routes, which is what the 787-9 will be steadily taking over. The Vancouver market is growing and it would not surprise me to see the -300 eventualy used (the 747 was used until recently and that has a greater pax capacity than either the -200 or-300. It's hard to see the Airbus A350 being used, from a fleet commonality perspective the 777-XXX would make more sense.

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The only North American destination for the 777-200 is Vancouver, all other routes are operated by the 777-300. the -200 is mostly used on Asian routes, which is what the 787-9 will be steadily taking over. The Vancouver market is growing and it would not surprise me to see the -300 eventualy used (the 747 was used until recently and that has a greater pax capacity than either the -200 or-300. It's hard to see the Airbus A350 being used, from a fleet commonality perspective the 777-XXX would make more sense.

There are not enough -300's to operate Vancouver. -200's are still used for the NZ3/4 LAX services and the SFO services when there are two services per day.

[Beagle]

I'm concerned about the 17.2 inch width of the new Dreamliner seats. Boeing designed the aircraft as a 280 pax machine and more or less stipulated a minimum seat width of 18 inches. Air squeezed just over 300 seats in there by compromising seat width and by using a very slim density designed seat. these are some of the very narrowest seats in the industry. I am sure your average 68 kilo Chineese tourist won't mind but I have it on good authority that a certain large build accountant (built like a front row All Black) got his ruler out the other day and after converting 17.2 inches to cm's measured this out on his office chair, placed some sticky notes to signify the dimensions and wasn't impressed at all. Said accountant is now looking at a vigorous walking programme to reduce butt size or looking at flying with the pretty Singapore girl who has some of the widest seats in economy at 19 inches in their new A380's.
I predict there's going to be some very disgruntled customers who are anything more than 2 standard deviations bigger than average size pax. Nobody likes being cooped-up far tighter than even a battery hen lots of info here. www.seatguru.com

[Beagle]

PPPHHHHOOOAAAARRR Qantas SP on fire today up around 12% at A$2.36, nearly over-taken AIR's SP which is plainly ridiculous when you consider AIR's earnings record, more modern fleet and quite obviously better management. VAH starting to catch a bid too. American carriers on fire too on Friday last week. AIR SP's reaction to the massive oil price decline looking really under-done on a relative basis. Trading on a forward PE of about 8 even at $2.39. opportunity knocks for a big gain in 2015 ? Definitely one to hold for real as well as in the ST competition for 2015