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28-08-2014, 06:30 PM
#1531
Originally Posted by Roger
http://www.sharechat.co.nz/article/3...4-bln-losshtml
Jetstar loses ground in New Zealand.
I also had a quick look at the Qantas horror result and noticed contained therein a mention that there was to be no new routes for Jetstar for the forseeable future or words to that effect...
PS Three other things to know about dividend stripping. Based on a study I've seen approximately 80% of companies share prices regain the initial SP dividend drop within 3 weeks and secondly anyone on an income tax bracket below $48,000 (i.e. tax rate of 17.5%) will normally get a meaningful advantage conferred upon them with fully imputed dividends having imputation credits attached at the company tax rate of 28% and finally the bigger the dividend as a percentage of the stock price, (in this case a whopper at 7%), the more likelihood of dividend stripping being a successful trading strategy
I wish it were with PGW, but so far not the case.
No advice here. Just banter. DYOR
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28-08-2014, 06:50 PM
#1532
Originally Posted by tzbang
yeah so, buy the day after the divy when it's fallen.. takes 3 days... by then it's probably returned to pre-div levels and sell? Seems too easy.
Hi Tzbang....yep easy when there is a bull market running..this is when all us posters on ST are financial genius's...It's when the tide turns we find out who the real genius's are...
AIR's bull market cycless don't last as long as other stocks...AIR is a very cyclic stock...This +300% AIR bull is 2 years old now, a year longer than the 2006/2007 300% Bull.
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28-08-2014, 07:02 PM
#1533
Originally Posted by noodles
The dividend is fully imputated so that argument does not apply here.
It does for all those on the top tax rate the imputation doesn't save you anything at the end of the day other than giving you more money in your pocket until you square up your end of year tax return at which time you still have to account for the difference between the RWT and the 33% you need to pay, claiming the imputations against the tax payable on your taxable income accounts for the difference.
Last edited by couta1; 28-08-2014 at 10:42 PM.
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28-08-2014, 07:12 PM
#1534
Originally Posted by couta1
It does for all those on the top tax rate the imputation doesn't save you anything at the end of the day other than giving you more money in your pocket until you square up your end of year tax return at which time you still have to account for the difference between the RWT and the 33% you need to pay.
Maybe we have a different understanding of how imputation credits work. Sure there is a difference between the 28%(company) and 33%(top personal). However, I'm sure you would agree that having imputation credits is better than not having them?
Last edited by noodles; 28-08-2014 at 07:24 PM.
No advice here. Just banter. DYOR
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28-08-2014, 07:19 PM
#1535
Originally Posted by noodles
Maybe we have a different understanding of how imputation credits work. Sure there is a difference between the 28%(company) and 33%(top personal). However, I'm sure you would agree that haveingimputation credits is better than not having them?
Agreed it is better having them especially if they come with a PIE investment as those on the top tax rate don't have to include them in their tax return saving 5% tax however for those on the top rate buying ex divvy can be a good strategy.
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28-08-2014, 07:19 PM
#1536
El Toro~
Originally Posted by noodles
Maybe we have a different understanding of how imputation credits work. Sure there is a difference between the 28%(company) and 33%(top personal). However, I'm sure you would agree that haveingimputation credits is better than not having them?
This man speaks the truth - its effectively them paying the tax burden on your behalf. By the means of passing already paid tax income tax from the company) onto the recipient. Just means the end recipient doesn't end up being 'double dipped' by the IRD
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29-08-2014, 09:05 AM
#1537
Originally Posted by noodles
I wish it were with PGW, but so far not the case.
There's always an exception to general market behaviour. The jury is still out on this case and I hold. What we saw in that case was an annual result that was only very slightly ahead of recent guidance together with the announcement of a final and special divvy that appeared to surprise the market, (myself included). We then witnessed a near vertical move in the SP in a very short space of time by the amount of the dividend and a cent or two more, followed by a drop of the full dividend and a cent or so more immediately after it went ex divvy and still hasn't recovered. The SP behaviour suggests dividend hounds chased the stock up to strip it and the 28% imputation credits attached, suggesting a number of shareholders or dividend hounds are on a 17.5% tax rate perhaps ?
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29-08-2014, 09:34 AM
#1538
Originally Posted by Roger
The SP behaviour suggests dividend hounds chased the stock up to strip it and the 28% imputation credits attached, suggesting a number of shareholders or dividend hounds are on a 17.5% tax rate perhaps ?
My theory is that there is a negative sentiment in the stock because of low diary prices. I won't talk any more because it has been thrashed out on the PGW thread.
But it is an interesting case study because the magnitude of the dividend of AIR and PGW are similar. We shall see with AIR.
I own both PGW and AIR. I don't plan to strip the dividend.
No advice here. Just banter. DYOR
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29-08-2014, 10:02 AM
#1539
It certainly is an interesting and in my view a very relevant case study as its rare that you get two cyclical companies to compare, both of whom are paying final and special divvy's that amount to circa 7-8% of their SP. Like you, I own both and see both as a good medium term hold.
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29-08-2014, 11:40 AM
#1540
VAH have sold a 35% stake in their Velocity FFP to Affinity Equity Partners.
http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/2014082...fffwptmkvl.pdf
The consensus from previous discussions appears to be that AirNZ was unlikely to sell Airports to a private partner outright, especially given that they are already flush with cash, but perhaps a similar arrangement could benefit the AirNZ from a strategic perspective?
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