AIR - Air NZ.

[Snow Leopard]

A number of airlines certainly have a strategy of having both main suppliers, Airbus and Boeing.

I'm sure this is more than an engine issue from what has been explained to me. It is an interrelated problem which is still dynamic as they gain more information of the composite of the plane heating up over repeated flights and therefore over it fuselage life. The weight gain, stress effects the engines and other parts of the planes systems. It all new, no previous experience given the composite of the plane is new.

I do wonder if it is economies of scale that made AIR just go just the one supplier way. Not proven to be a great risk management strategy regardless.

I am not aware of any serious concerns over the fuselage of these new fangled plastic planes.
However there always exists the possibility/probability that some problem will emerge in the future.

Rolls-Royce recently (a few months ago) concluded that their fix for the blade longevity problem did not last that long and are reworking it.

Here is an interesting link with regard to an ongoing engine issue:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...ade-en-462404/

[Snow Leopard]

which leads to this:
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/19/ntsb...-accident.html

[Beagle]

Great how they are experimenting with parts in the Trent 1000 engine through trial and error isn't it.
But Houston we have a problem, as I once watched a RR video that said there were 30,000 individual parts in those engines...that's a lot of potential trial and error

But no worries because on CNBC the other day they said RR are picking up the tab for all costs with this latest aspect of this long running fiasco.
I see RR provisioning is now up to a whopping 2.4 Billion pounds and I sure hope AIR are going to get their fair share of that compensation
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ems-hits-24bn/

[Raz]

Great how they are experimenting with parts in the Trent 1000 engine through trial and error isn't it.
But Houston we have a problem, as I once watched a RR video that said there were 30,000 individual parts in those engines...that's a lot of potential trial and error

But no worries because on CNBC the other day they said RR are picking up the tab for all costs with this latest aspect of this long running fiasco.
I see RR provisioning is now up to a whopping 2.4 Billion pounds and I sure hope AIR are going to get their fair share of that compensation
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ems-hits-24bn/

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/117...rious#comments

"The news that a permanent fix for the engines would not be available until 2021 would be a blow for the airline, she said."

[Rep]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/117...rious#comments

"The news that a permanent fix for the engines would not be available until 2021 would be a blow for the airline, she said."

The Trent 1000 is turning into the current RR management's RB211...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-..._and_aftermath

[Beagle]

I thought the TENs were going to fix the TRENT problem?

Betcha there’s other problems with these Dreamliners - once a lemon always a lemon

One wonders if its ever going to end ? https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/ind...?rm=m#comments

[arc]

I am not aware of any serious concerns over the fuselage of these new fangled plastic planes.
However there always exists the possibility/probability that some problem will emerge in the future.

Rolls-Royce recently (a few months ago) concluded that their fix for the blade longevity problem did not last that long and are reworking it.

Here is an interesting link with regard to an ongoing engine issue:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...ade-en-462404/

An interesting item has quietly emerged for road racing bicycles made of carbon fiber. Professional Tour deFrance level cyclists can apply above average stress loading to their cycles (rough road conditions, frame flexing, high speed judders, oscillations, resonance etc). The frames have been examined and found to have developed microscopic fracture lines not visible to the eye but detectable with ultrasonic tools used for testing pipes in the steel industry. Carbon fiber sheet is composed of millions of very thin threads "bonded" into place with epoxy resin. Individual fibers can break and/or de-laminate over time. Both of these materials are technically "inert" and as such ideal for manufacturing items that wont "rust", but oxidization is just one element of industrial processes, chemical bonding and slow degradation of certain chemical elements over time is normal. Carbon fiber is flexible when in sheet form, the glue "epoxy" is the "solid" part of the process, epoxy breaks down over time and will develop micro fractures when repeatedly exposed to stresses such a when used to connect/interface to metallic components. The micro fractures are normally not a concern due to the combined flexibility and high number of carbon fibers in the sheet, unless the cycle is used for more than 4 years...

[stoploss]

An interesting item has quietly emerged for road racing bicycles made of carbon fiber. Professional Tour deFrance level cyclists can apply above average stress loading to their cycles (rough road conditions, frame flexing, high speed judders, oscillations, resonance etc). The frames have been examined and found to have developed microscopic fracture lines not visible to the eye but detectable with ultrasonic tools used for testing pipes in the steel industry. Carbon fiber sheet is composed of millions of very thin threads "bonded" into place with epoxy resin. Individual fibers can break and/or de-laminate over time. Both of these materials are technically "inert" and as such ideal for manufacturing items that wont "rust", but oxidization is just one element of industrial processes, chemical bonding and slow degradation of certain chemical elements over time is normal. Carbon fiber is flexible when in sheet form, the glue "epoxy" is the "solid" part of the process, epoxy breaks down over time and will develop micro fractures when repeatedly exposed to stresses such a when used to connect/interface to metallic components. The micro fractures are normally not a concern due to the combined flexibility and high number of carbon fibers in the sheet, unless the cycle is used for more than 4 years...

My carbon bike is 7 years ....Presumably it would be how much use it has actually had and the type of use . NZ chips roads not the best ?

[arc]

My carbon bike is 7 years ....Presumably it would be how much use it has actually had and the type of use . NZ chips roads not the best ?

Mine is about the same. I dont quite reach the tour defrance level of energy... by a country mile.
The early versions had carbon to metal joints and I know they definitely had problems. Im hoping that they have found very effective ways to mitigate the joining effect, as modern aircraft have carbon wings...

[winner69]

AIR social media team asked ‘what’s your dream view from the window seat.’

I responded - allowing punters to actually see out the windows (blinds up / tinting off)

Best response was:

Dream view?
A banner saying all further flights suspended until your aircraft can carry us without further damage to the earth's climate.