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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPeter View Post
    Hmm - so Airbus A 350 has more capacity, can fly longer distances and is cheaper. Of course will AIR will pick Boeing in this case
    reliability? residual value? passenger capacity? supplier rebates? maintenance costs? pilot & engineer preferences? technology? - could be many other factors to take into consideration......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy View Post
    reliability? residual value? passenger capacity? supplier rebates? maintenance costs? pilot & engineer preferences? technology? - could be many other factors to take into consideration......
    Yes all these things are no doubt considered, reliability being extremely important. Boeing with Dreamliner (engine) problems and 737 MAX software issues are unlikely to have a high reliability score at the moment.
    Quite worrying if true what Benny1 says above that compensation from RR will come in the form of discounts of new engines !! The damage/loss has been done already and RR should be compensating now, not sometime in the future and only IF AIR buys more engines of them.

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    So if true about RR, if they do not pick RR engines for whichever aircraft they decide on, the $40M odd (think it was around that much) will never be recovered??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay View Post
    So if true about RR, if they do not pick RR engines for whichever aircraft they decide on, the $40M odd (think it was around that much) will never be recovered??
    They lease the engines so they can compensate on the current ones hanging off the wing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 777 View Post
    Why so bitter and twisted?

    When have AirNZ selected the wrong aircraft in the past?
    Not so fast - just calling a spade a spade.

    Which other airline producer supplied recently new planes with build in crash mechanism - other than Boeing? AIR was just lucky they had no need for the 737 Max 8 - who knows which other bugs Boeing did oversee in their planes?

    Why would the software for the other new Boeing planes be any better?

    Boeing's processes are clearly not up to scratch - and they didn't even admit their haphazard engineering approach after the first crash but happily allowed another plane to go down and kill its passengers.

    Ah yes - and buying Boeings with RR engines was an amazing idea, wasn't it?

    Not sure why AIR would pick them, but it clearly can't be with safety, reliability, range or economy in mind.
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    Didn’t an AIR Airbus crash about 10 years killing all aboard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    Didn’t an AIR Airbus crash about 10 years killing all aboard.
    Yes it did but was operated by XL airways and about to be handed over the AIR. Caused by human error https://nzhistory.govt.nz/page/air-n...crashes-france

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPeter View Post
    Boeing's processes are clearly not up to scratch - and they didn't even admit their haphazard engineering approach after the first crash but happily allowed another plane to go down and kill its passengers.

    Ah yes - and buying Boeings with RR engines was an amazing idea, wasn't it?

    Not sure why AIR would pick them, but it clearly can't be with safety, reliability, range or economy in mind.
    That's right. AirNZ knew that these engines were going to have problems before they actually did have problems but selected them anyway. They should have known better then shouldn't they BP?
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    Wikipedia are saying that the A350 Airbus is powered exclusively by the RR Trent 1000 engine,so if they are getting a credit from RR they would have to be looking at the A350?

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveb View Post
    Wikipedia are saying that the A350 Airbus is powered exclusively by the RR Trent 1000 engine,so if they are getting a credit from RR they would have to be looking at the A350?
    How come these engines didn't make any problems yet on the A350, but the dreamliner turned into a nightmare liner with them?
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