AIR - Air NZ.

[kyanar]

Capacity of roughly 400 pax, I imagine that's an all economy configuration though so once you add Business and Premium cabins it likely can only support about 300-340. Cargo capacity is also important, as that's where a decent amount of the revenue from flights comes from (freight).

Not sure I'd be happy to fly 21,000km in an anaemic Y seat though.

[Beagle]

Capacity of roughly 400 pax, I imagine that's an all economy configuration though so once you add Business and Premium cabins it likely can only support about 300-340. Cargo capacity is also important, as that's where a decent amount of the revenue from flights comes from (freight).

Not sure I'd be happy to fly 21,000km in an anaemic Y seat though.

Agreed, that's a truly dauting prospect.
Negotiations continuing https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ectid=12174966

[777]

It's a business jet not an airliner. Owned by those that money is not in short supply. Cargo would not be a consideration other than carrying their gold bars.

[kyanar]

It's a business jet not an airliner. Owned by those that money is not in short supply. Cargo would not be a consideration other than carrying their gold bars.

Then why, pray tell, is AIR looking to them as a replacement for the 772 fleet?

Air New Zealand is looking at the plane as a possible replacement for its Boeing 777-200s early next decade

The only thing that makes it a business jet is the cabin configuration. Get Zodiac to supply a few hundred Y and C class seats and you have yourself a commercial airliner. Air Force One, after all, is just a Boeing 747 (actually a VC25, which is a 747 with modifications). The designation as a "passenger jet" in its most common configuration doesn't make it not a business jet when kitted out to carry the POTUS.

[kyanar]

Agreed, that's a truly dauting prospect.
Negotiations continuing https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ectid=12174966

And engineers have voted to strike on 21, 22, and 23 December: https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/natio...days-next-week

I imagine any public sympathy for their cause has evaporated. I best get some travel insurance with industrial action cover.

[Beagle]

They fully deserve the derision and contempt of the public. There is no excuse for wrecking so many Kiwi's family reunions over Christmas. They could easily have delayed industrial action until after Christmas. This short sighted outdated and confrontation style of negotiation from yesteryear will end up costing them heaps of jobs as the company sends more overhaul work overseas and they only have themselves to blame.

[kyanar]

The most concerning possible outcome is if Luxon pulls a (Alan) Joyce and responds by simply locking out the engineers and grounding the entire fleet. QAN risked losing tens of millions of dollars a day but forced the government to intervene and terminate both the lockout and strike action - and the union ended up losing all of their demands when it went in front of the fair work regulator.

[777]

Then why, pray tell, is AIR looking to them as a replacement for the 772 fleet?



The only thing that makes it a business jet is the cabin configuration. Get Zodiac to supply a few hundred Y and C class seats and you have yourself a commercial airliner. Air Force One, after all, is just a Boeing 747 (actually a VC25, which is a 747 with modifications). The designation as a "passenger jet" in its most common configuration doesn't make it not a business jet when kitted out to carry the POTUS.

The point is that as business jet it is kitted out as a luxury configuration and seating available will be a lot less than an airline could operate it economically.It will have bedroom suites, lounges the works. It will be a lot lighter and therefore would be able to fly a lot further than the airliner configuration. The heavier the aircraft the more fuel it burns. The lighter it is allows the same amount of fuel to take the aircraft further.

Sure AIR is looking at the 777X but direct to London with a payable payload is out of the question.

The article was about the Business Jet version.

[kyanar]

The point is that as business jet it is kitted out as a luxury configuration and seating available will be a lot less than an airline could operate it economically.It will have bedroom suites, lounges the works. It will be a lot lighter and therefore would be able to fly a lot further than the airliner configuration. The heavier the aircraft the more fuel it burns. The lighter it is allows the same amount of fuel to take the aircraft further.

Sure AIR is looking at the 777X but direct to London with a payable payload is out of the question.

The article was about the Business Jet version.

The only thing that makes it a "business jet" is the fit-out. Boeing doesn't even supply that, it's an empty shell out of the factory. You keep saying that "as a business jet it is kitted out as a luxury configuration" - no it's not. Seats and modules come from suppliers like Zodiac, or that evil company that wants to pack humans into standing chairs on planes.

There is no "business jet version" - it's all in the options the airline buys.

[dobby41]

The only thing that makes it a "business jet" is the fit-out. Boeing doesn't even supply that, it's an empty shell out of the factory. You keep saying that "as a business jet it is kitted out as a luxury configuration" - no it's not. Seats and modules come from suppliers like Zodiac, or that evil company that wants to pack humans into standing chairs on planes.

There is no "business jet version" - it's all in the options the airline buys.

So Boeing didn't
"Boeing will launch a mega business jet that can fly more than half way around the world without stopping, further than any business jet ever built."
And a BBJ-777x as a shell (without fitout) is no different from a standard 777x (no bigger tanks or anything).
Smoke and mirrors.