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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    $340m will make for a sad and even more disappointed Beagle. Hopefully a bit further up the guidance range. I hope AIR stop barking about their good relationship with RR and start showing some teeth and use them ! RR deserve some really serious pain over their shonky engines.
    RR do, but is this strategically the best option for an airline operating in a limited supply market. To avoid a mismash of engines, you ideally want to be with one supplier. If you go all legalistic with this supplier, will you get the best deal in the future. If you go legalistic, will you be at the front or end of the cue if you need additional engines or specialist assistance in the future? If you develop a reputation for being legalistic, will this assist or hinder your negotiating position should you decide in the future to change primary suppliers?

    Will going legalistic even get you more compensation for the issues?

    On balance its a bit like when your partner does something stupid - you want to get mad but often it isn't the best option.

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    A mismash of engines is not a big deal... Sometimes an aircraft will only come with one choice of engine ( think the 777-300er).
    Engines a normally sold these days with a total care package so the maintenance specs and overhauls are carried out by the manufacturer...
    Only limited engine work is now carried out in-house.
    You are right in not pi$$ing off the suppliers as you will be back at the table with them sooner of later wanting a discount on your new engine purchases.. Pi$$ them off and good luck to you...

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    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ectid=12201768

    CEO of Virgin is going after 8 years and earning top money while having more than one third of the Australian market the airline has struggled really badly while Qantas has gone from strength to strength.
    Luxon was right to get out of Virgin and challenge the board that this guy is a liability in more ways than one. Virgin's load factor on the Tasman since the acrimonious split with AIR late last year is pretty interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ectid=12201768

    CEO of Virgin is going after 8 years and earning top money while having more than one third of the Australian market the airline has struggled really badly while Qantas has gone from strength to strength.
    Luxon was right to get out of Virgin and challenge the board that this guy is a liability in more ways than one. Virgin's load factor on the Tasman since the acrimonious split with AIR late last year is pretty interesting.
    If cullen Airlines wanted and could get an agreement on stratergy from Lee Kuan Yew Airlines it could buy back in to Virgin(Under arm bowlers division) at a good discount.

    Etihad need the cash and I'm pretty certain the China based holders are ruefully contemplating the balance between the ying and the yang of their buy in.

    However Cullen Airlines should be mindfull of the Kiwi dollars previously squandered trying to follow the yellow brick road of investment in Aussie aviation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Munroe View Post
    If cullen Airlines wanted and could get an agreement on stratergy from Lee Kuan Yew Airlines it could buy back in to Virgin(Under arm bowlers division) at a good discount.

    Etihad need the cash and I'm pretty certain the China based holders are ruefully contemplating the balance between the ying and the yang of their buy in.

    However Cullen Airlines should be mindfull of the Kiwi dollars previously squandered trying to follow the yellow brick road of investment in Aussie aviation.

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    Marilyn regularly puts this up. Have never worked out why.

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    So nothing special about Air New Zealand - they can be as bad as any other airline as frequently as any other airline:

    Air NZ flight debacle traps passengers on Christchurch tarmac in 5-hour flight 'shambles'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow Leopard View Post
    So nothing special about Air New Zealand - they can be as bad as any other airline as frequently as any other airline:

    Air NZ flight debacle traps passengers on Christchurch tarmac in 5-hour flight 'shambles'
    “I would expect better from such a lauded airline," she said
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow Leopard View Post
    So nothing special about Air New Zealand - they can be as bad as any other airline as frequently as any other airline:

    Air NZ flight debacle traps passengers on Christchurch tarmac in 5-hour flight 'shambles'
    My understanding talking to a broker that fly's into Queenstown on a very regular basis, (everyone knows this airport is surrounded by mountains and flights are subject to satisfactory weather) is that standard procedure as the alternate airport is Dunedin and passengers are transferred by bus to Queenstown. This happens quite often when bad weather prevents landing at Queenstown.
    Now I would speculate that due to the time of year, (peak tourist season for bus use) buses may not have been available on the day.

    The international gate thing at Chch airport, I don't know why., maybe all the domestic gates were in use ?

    Now lets get on to the accommodation side of things.
    They put all the passengers up in reasonable accommodation. This would have happened at both ends as pax scheduled to depart on the returning flight couldn't have as it didn't land.

    JetStar's approach and this is a very important difference, in these circumstances is to give people a $150 accommodation voucher. It is a well known fact that you simply cannot get accommodation of a reasonable standard in Queenstown in the peak summer period for anything remotely like that so the people scheduled to fly the return leg if that flight had of landed would have been really stuck if they were on JetStar and its also very difficult to find reasonable Auckland accommodation for $150 per night.

    Oh just one other thing...passengers stranded on a JetStar A320 would have had to endure 5 hours seated in seats with the world's tightest 29 inch pitch. That would be excruciatingly painful and uncomfortable for this big dog and I would imagine for most passengers.

    I am not trying to pretend that AIR get it right every time but most times I think they try harder than Jetheap and most other budget airlines. Remember when mother paper tiger told her cubs you get what you pay for ?...guess what, she is right !
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    Seems rather odd ....wheels falling off at AIR?

    Hundman, an assistant professor at NYU's Shanghai campus, told the Herald the flight took off from Auckland as scheduled close to midnight last night but "midway through our flight, the pilot informs us that Chinese authorities had not given this plane permission to land, so we needed to turn around. A permitting issue, supposedly," he says.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ectid=12202409
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