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    The amount of time its taken AIR to short out the basics of PPE and Crews surely indicates why as investors we have always traded NZ stocks since it almost impossible to determine there performance until its to late. FBU ect.

    It also shows that NZ AIR and the government have found the logistics of implementing new behavioural systems , IT , train civilian staff at all part of the chains to be a SLOW process taking months. It will take much much longer to get a system in place for a safe opening up of parts of the border. Hence why many of the old hands here are waiting for a much lower share price or maybe have removed air lines off the investing radar for good.
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    AIR getting 4 new Dreamliner engines delivered. Hopefully they will work as expected https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/ind...ckland-airport

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    Great, they finally get these engines when they no longer need them. That's Rolls Royce "service" for you.
    Speaking of so called RR service standards....why do I get the feeling that AIR are simply playing Russian Roulette with passenger safety ? https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/122...mestic-flights
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    yes i have posted a couple of those. Amazing ..... leads to assume more companies and organisations in NZ are run like that....she 'll be right ...

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    Due to fly London - Doha - Kuala Lumpur in a few weeks with Qatar Airways.

    I will have to wear a mask, face shield & gloves and their crew uniform looks like a hazmat suit.

    Gone are the good old days of flying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow Leopard View Post
    Due to fly London - Doha - Kuala Lumpur in a few weeks with Qatar Airways.

    I will have to wear a mask, face shield & gloves and their crew uniform looks like a hazmat suit.

    Gone are the good old days of flying.
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    At least our Cam still has a job

    Shareholders glad not paying these people surplus to requirements now ....employees (no matter how great they are) are just another commodity like fuel eh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow Leopard View Post
    Due to fly London - Doha - Kuala Lumpur in a few weeks with Qatar Airways.

    I will have to wear a mask, face shield & gloves and their crew uniform looks like a hazmat suit.

    Gone are the good old days of flying.
    Gone might be as well the days when it was more likely than not to catch every second long haul flight a bad cold or a flu from some fellow passenger coughing and spitting somewhere in your vicinity. At least for me this was sort of the long term average.

    Sick people not anymore allowed to board the plane ... and all this PPE can be only useful to protect from colds and flues.

    These new days might well have their silver lining ...

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    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12345607 More truly shocking publicity for AIR
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    Tourism changed forever. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ectid=12345416

    Reported on Network news last evening Taupo is booming and that's before the school holidays even really kicked off properly. Business up 20% on last year.
    Chatted with a guy today who said last weekend, (a week before the school holidays even started) he and his wife were turned away from a couple of the best Restaurants in Taupo because he hadn't booked in advance and they were at maximum capacity.

    Taupo has always struck me as a great place. I would think the boom times there will continue as people disaffected by flying overseas and who are not very keen on getting on a plane at all, simply drive there for a good time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    Tourism changed forever. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ectid=12345416

    Reported on Network news last evening Taupo is booming and that's before the school holidays even really kicked off properly. Business up 20% on last year.
    Chatted with a guy today who said last weekend, (a week before the school holidays even started) he and his wife were turned away from a couple of the best Restaurants in Taupo because he hadn't booked in advance and they were at maximum capacity.

    Taupo has always struck me as a great place. I would think the boom times there will continue as people disaffected by flying overseas and who are not very keen on getting on a plane at all, simply drive there for a good time.
    Sure, there are winners and losers...driving distance to a major population area will do well at the weekends and holiday times, same in the South island, its the day in day out that has dropped and the average spend...it great for a local if you can travel at other times, just don't think the industry as a whole can survive on that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12345607 More truly shocking publicity for AIR
    Mind boggling. How is it be possible an airline realizes only after boarding that the plane is overloaded? If incompetence has a name it clearly must be Air New Zealand.

    Obviously - the story how they treated their victims (you can't really call these people passengers, can you?) afterwards is hard to fathom. Getting a customer due to AIR's incompetence into quarantine prison and then asking them to pay for it? They should instead compensate the customers for the time they lost due to AIR's fault.

    I shall put AIR on my "avoid at all cost" list next to Aeroflot and Air Malaysia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPeter View Post
    Mind boggling. How is it be possible an airline realizes only after boarding that the plane is overloaded? If incompetence has a name it clearly must be Air New Zealand.

    Obviously - the story how they treated their victims (you can't really call these people passengers, can you?) afterwards is hard to fathom. Getting a customer due to AIR's incompetence into quarantine prison and then asking them to pay for it? They should instead compensate the customers for the time they lost due to AIR's fault.

    I shall put AIR on my "avoid at all cost" list next to Aeroflot and Air Malaysia.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12345683 The mind truly boggles. AIR are flying only a tiny fraction of their previous services so they should have all the resources they need to look after the very few people they are flying really well, especially elderly vulnerable passengers. Its very hard to come to any other conclusion than there is a gross level of incompetence and lack of care by front line staff. Foran can issue all the weasel words and platitudes he likes but publicity like this really hurts and like you, many will go out of their way to avoid AIR in the future if at all possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPeter View Post
    Mind boggling. How is it be possible an airline realizes only after boarding that the plane is overloaded? If incompetence has a name it clearly must be Air New Zealand.

    Obviously - the story how they treated their victims (you can't really call these people passengers, can you?) afterwards is hard to fathom. Getting a customer due to AIR's incompetence into quarantine prison and then asking them to pay for it? They should instead compensate the customers for the time they lost due to AIR's fault.

    I shall put AIR on my "avoid at all cost" list next to Aeroflot and Air Malaysia.
    "They offered to get off the full flight after the captain advised passengers it was overweight and off-balance, but other passengers were randomly picked off a list, she said."

    An Air New Zealand spokeswoman said when removing passengers from a flight the airline had a standard process which took into account a number of factors, including ticket type and loyalty level...

    Solomon said other passengers told they had to leave included an elderly woman, another mother and daughter, a mother with a young child and a group of four male teenagers.


    The passengers were given the impression that passengers were requested via a random process - the reality is that they weren't at all, the passengers were profiled based on the fare and their airline status.

    Therefore no one up the front of the plane was going to be asked to come off the aircraft regardless of any balance issue, no-one with a Gold and probably Silver status or anyone travelling with them (not just Air NZ but also under their obligations with Star Alliance, so those US passengers would probably have been kept aboard even if they had never flown with Air NZ if they had a Star Alliance status).

    Pity those in the cheap seats - the offloaded passengers almost likely fitted the profile - the poor buggers, they were the acceptable collateral damage for Air NZ because they figured they were the least important.

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    Is it easier to off-load a few lower-fare passengers than to explain to a regular freight customer why you had to offload their valuable cargo?

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