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    Quote Originally Posted by workingdad View Post
    Man up? Umm not sure what you want. I'm just tired of some of the discussion on AIR of late. Seems to be some that revel at others expense and dialogue of a nature I don't have much interest in.

    That aside.

    Having tried to catch the knife a few times and having bought and sold at as many good times as bad of late I am only just in the red including the divvy but not including imp credit. Best was at 2.02, 2.07 and 2.11 during Brexit but factor in carrying some losses from earlier buys on the way down and then clawing a fair bit back being smarter in some of the dips and recoveries I'm not sitting too bad at all. Also holding a third of my total at one stage which I'm comfortable with.

    We all take our chances on trading and no one can see the future. All of us are human (some more so than others) and no one is right all the time although my wife would strongly disagree ��

    I'm keeping an eye on AIR, still have my own opinion of its ability to make good on divvys going forward barring an event some allure to which most stocks are not immune from think the FA is attractive compared to other similarly priced stocks.
    WD--You seemed to have taken the middle road that satisfies both sides of the debate --You havent panic sold--and you have resisted the temptation to throw tons of money at a share when its going down (atm)--I tip my hat to you--(or perhaps it is your wife who should get the credit..)

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    AIR has dropped about 33% give or take whatever in the last 2 weeks. Does anyone know what % drop it takes to trigger an FMA call out. ps got a pm from couta1 to tell me to tell bull to read thread 8936 and he still hold 50% of portfolio of AIR= 420k. Hope I got that right couta1. You could start up under another name if that was possible.
    Last edited by see weed; 26-09-2016 at 10:06 AM.

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    Black Peter "Not sure I understand what you are asking for? Traders and investors talk about the same thing, they just have different time horizons. However - no matter whether you are a trader or an investor ... it is always beneficial to buy cheap and to sell dear.

    Or do you mean that hype should be limited to traders-only threads with investor-only threads being used to have the serious conversations? I think this would miss the point of creating the hype in the first place. Sure - there might be some inexperienced traders who are just "whistling in the dark", but I think most of the more experienced traders just want to influence their audience to push the SP up ... for obvious reasons. What would be the point if only other traders would read this stuff"


    Conflicts of interest happen between short term traders and longer term Investors; different agendas time frames values etc; one pays tax the other doesn't or way less. its a disconnect like two different discussions going on at once with different endgames. With short term trading comes a lot more spin/ spruiking/ salesmanship etc; its the nature of their game and its to benefit them only..Spruiking and then selling while others are encouraged to buy (and vice versa)is normal practice and benefits the short term spruikers only.Newbies/naivebies can get sucked in.

    Investors however tend to all benefit from the longer term sharing of analysis, T/A,knowledge and less agenda pressure(buy when I'm selling).This is the share trader community I'm here to participate, enjoy and value the most. Traders and investors are both a part of the Stock Exchange ops. A trading thread can specialise in in short term trading strategies or even day trading (more on the ASX) and spruik, up ramp, down ramp, spin their hearts out as its accepted practice. I note two trading threads on another site. A great outlet and far less conflict; but maybe I've got my idealist hat on and that the smell of money can overpower ethics and morals which may be one of the reasons a few folks on the AIR thread have been binned over and over? IF a trading thread caused less conflict and friction , less bans,I'm all for it. Just putting the idea out there.
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    Not too sure but dnt they call out if there's a significant change over a short period? For example, if price dropped by 10% in a day but no announcement? For AIR, it was like 3% a day (added) over two weeks lol. Maybe they are too busy working on Milford
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    Conflicts of interest happen between short term traders and longer term Investors; different agendas time frames values etc; one pays tax the other doesn't or way less. its a disconnect like two different discussions going on at once with different endgames. With short term trading comes a lot more spin/ spruiking/ salesmanship etc; its the nature of their game and its to benefit them only..Spruiking and then selling while others are encouraged to buy (and vice versa)is normal practice and benefits the short term spruikers only.Newbies/naivebies can get sucked in.

    Investors however tend to all benefit from the longer term sharing of analysis, T/A,knowledge and less agenda pressure(buy when I'm selling).This is the share trader community I'm here to participate, enjoy and value the most. Traders and investors are both a part of the Stock Exchange ops. A trading thread can specialise in in short term trading strategies or even day trading (more on the ASX) and spruik, up ramp, down ramp, spin their hearts out as its accepted practice. I note two trading threads on another site. A great outlet and far less conflict; but maybe I've got my idealist hat on and that the smell of money can overpower ethics and morals which may be one of the reasons a few folks on the AIR thread have been binned over and over? IF a trading thread caused less conflict and friction , less bans,I'm all for it. Just putting the idea out there.
    JT ... if you feel like quoting me, could you please do that without editing my "quote"? I don't know why you mixed up my citation, but it does not look good. Please fix or delete.
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    I notice buyers starting to come back. Don't forget AGM this Friday.Get in now at these lower prices before all the positive news on Friday. The quick and the dead here. Come on couta and Roger time to av down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohpark0119 View Post
    Not too sure but dnt they call out if there's a significant change over a short period? For example, if price dropped by 10% in a day but no announcement? For AIR, it was like 3% over two weeks lol. Maybe they are too busy working on Milford
    More like 33% over two weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by see weed View Post
    I notice buyers starting to come back. Don't forget AGM this Friday.Get in now at these lower prices before all the positive news on Friday. The quick and the dead here. Come on couta and Roger time to av down.
    That little trip below 180 probably the turning point in this cycle - wonder high it will cycle up to this time around - i reckon 250 as a starting point.
    “ At the top of every bubble, everyone is convinced it's not yet a bubble.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    That little trip below 180 probably the turning point in this cycle - wonder high it will cycle up to this time around - i reckon 250 as a starting point.
    ~$1.80 has proven to be a solid support during 2007 downtrend and recent uptrend late 2014 (see Hoop's post in TA thread). Don't think we will see $2.50 any time soon but a modest rally from here would be welcomed.

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    Nature sends us signals in many ways and Fibonacci told us about his golden numbers

    Jeez 178 was a 61.8% retracement level (from 2011 lows to high 326 earlier this year) - often said to be reasonable support targets or turning points

    Fox - based on Fibonacci things we'll get back to at least 236 ..or maybe 326 sometime. Cant firget that AIR trades in multi-year cycles.
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