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    Quote Originally Posted by Raz View Post
    An audi with heavy VW components..actually makes it a better audi
    Pretty solid product offer for sure. My sense is the 1800kg towing ability is not going to be enough for what we want to do going forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rep View Post
    The next gen of batteries could be this...

    https://www.pv-magazine-australia.co...breakthroughs/

    https://www.smh.com.au/environment/c...02-p558dj.html

    Much less flammable than lithium based batteries with the potential to hold five times the capacity of existing batteries at a tenth of the cost that operates in a wide temperature arc - it could change the way we think about supply and storage of electricity. There’s inefficiency from making hydrogen and converting back to electricity through a fuel cell but it would appear to have a lot of implications for EV and domestic use if it can be brought to market (eg instead of Meridian spilling Manapouri in low demand, it could be fed to batteries and reduce the need for thermal generation in winter peaks and/or transmission load capacity peaks given the right pricing signals)
    How come other EV competitors against Tesla aren't using it? How come all the other EV makes are using yesterday's lithium technology? When Tesla changed to a new cell size format 2 years ago... how come others have not followed? That's why I said by the time these EV makes get a working EV out to market, Tesla would be on to better battery tech.

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    https://www.autocar.co.nz/autocar-ne...j-project-2020 That's disappointing.
    Fortunately the big dog BMW M550 x drive will be imminently here and in pure form is $149,990, informally known as an M5 "lite" more than $50,000 less than an M5, with all the comfort of a 7 series BMW and only a fraction of a second off the legendary M5's pace. https://www.autocar.co.nz/autocar-ne...ving-soon-2020 Hmmm, that's the same price as their outgoing and much wimpier 540 x drive. "Purrfect"
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    https://www.autocar.co.nz/autocar-ne...mw-reveals-ix3 I stopped reading at 0-100 in 6.8 seconds. Vehicles over $100K, as this surely will be, are supposed to be fun and exciting. That makes this an epic fail as far as I am concerned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    https://www.autocar.co.nz/autocar-ne...mw-reveals-ix3 I stopped reading at 0-100 in 6.8 seconds. Vehicles over $100K, as this surely will be, are supposed to be fun and exciting. That makes this an epic fail as far as I am concerned.
    Doesn't sound right at all - I'd expect much quicker than this

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffW View Post
    Doesn't sound right at all - I'd expect much quicker than this
    Well respected Bimmerpost confirms the news.

    https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1739292 Made in China. 2WD not all wheel drive. 210 KW Only 400 nm torque. 0-100 in a leisurely 6.8 seconds. Very low tow rating of just on 1,000 kg's.

    Euro pricing I have seen on another site puts pricing on a par with the AWD made in Germany Mercedes_Benz EQC with 300 KW and 765nm of torque with a tow rating of 1800 kg and the AWD Audi E-tron.

    IX3 looks like a an epic fail to me and not even a real made in Germany BMW. Last to the party and a truly pathetic effort as far as I am concerned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBQ View Post
    How come other EV competitors against Tesla aren't using it? How come all the other EV makes are using yesterday's lithium technology? When Tesla changed to a new cell size format 2 years ago... how come others have not followed? That's why I said by the time these EV makes get a working EV out to market, Tesla would be on to better battery tech.
    Because it's still prototyping in the lab - this is going to take a while to make it to market. But if these hydrogen/metal matrix batteries do fulfill their promise then then the potential around packaging for an EV, households and grid operators is possibly quite staggering.

    The materials also appear to be a bit more benign that lithium mining too. It's probably 10 years away at least.

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    People in Wellington obviously not keen on EVs

    Council charging stations hardly get used

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/evs...nt-of-the-time
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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    People in Wellington obviously not keen on EVs

    Council charging stations hardly get used

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/evs...nt-of-the-time
    That's positive - I'm off to Wellington in the I Pace for the weekend, and probably won't have quite enough juice to do the return trip from Whanganui on the one charge, so will give one of them a whirl to top me up - odds on I won't be in a queue to get at it.

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    How did you find the range in the real world on a trip like that Jeff ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    How did you find the range in the real world on a trip like that Jeff ?
    Absolutely fine - was dark and wet for the trip down, and the Bolton Hotel charged it up (at no cost) for us on their Tesla charger, so didn't need to use the council station. Came back in much better weather in the middle of today and won't need charging until later in the week. Uses a little more juice on highway driving as regenerative brakes don't really kick in, but based on actual trip back on what it says is still left a little over 370km - and summer range is supposed to be a little better again
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    Sounds pretty good to me Jeff and yes I think the ideal temperature for these batteries range is about 20 degrees C.
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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    People in Wellington obviously not keen on EVs

    Council charging stations hardly get used

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/evs...nt-of-the-time
    They probably just charge at home TBH. Wellington is small enough that you could travel your daily commute quite easily in a fully charged vehcile.

    Plus the public transport network is relatively good, even after GW meddling. Mind you the 3 years old electric buses are going to need replacement batteries within the next year.

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    Nissan Ariya is being launched next year.
    Liquid cooled batteries
    Top of range 4wd,250 miles range,0 to 62mph 5 seconds

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    "Interesting" design. https://www.caranddriver.com/nissan/ariya Does that appeal to your eye fish ?
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    Hi Beagle
    I had not even thought about eye appeal .
    Following your post I have taken a good look and I cannot see a problem-for an SUV it looks aerodynamic .
    Northland roads are bad-rutted and lots of loose stones .
    I would not feel relaxed driving an expensive new car .
    I am picking up the 62kw leaf next week(Japanese import ) and with the increased range and power will enjoy driving this for a couple of years then expect I may move onto this .
    The Ariya 4wd has a lot of torque and tows so would be more suitable for my needs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    "Interesting" design. https://www.caranddriver.com/nissan/ariya Does that appeal to your eye fish ?
    Looks to be too large for the NZ market. I suspect the Ariya was aimed at the US market where vehicles are much larger in size.

    I'm still patiently waiting for announcement of the Model Y in RHD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fish View Post
    Hi Beagle
    I had not even thought about eye appeal .
    Following your post I have taken a good look and I cannot see a problem-for an SUV it looks aerodynamic .
    Northland roads are bad-rutted and lots of loose stones .
    I would not feel relaxed driving an expensive new car .
    I am picking up the 62kw leaf next week(Japanese import ) and with the increased range and power will enjoy driving this for a couple of years then expect I may move onto this .
    The Ariya 4wd has a lot of torque and tows so would be more suitable for my needs
    Hi Fish,
    Let me know your thoughts on the 62Kw/hr model v your old Leaf. Quite a bit more power to go with the battery size increase...I think you might quite like that.

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess with that Ariya. Make a good prop in a sci fi movie...looks a bit "futuristic" to my eyes.

    For me I'm strongly inclined to look at the forthcoming BMW M550 x-drive coming soon, about October. https://www.autocar.co.nz/autocar-ne...ving-soon-2020 Initially BMW will want full whack on retail at $149,990 plus options for a brand new one. A demo late next year at circa $120K might be just what the doctor ordered to spice up my 60th birthday celebration. I'm sure you would prescribe me one if you were my doctor...take this at full throttle at least once daily and even more regularly for really good mood enhancement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    Hi Fish,
    Let me know your thoughts on the 62Kw/hr model v your old Leaf. Quite a bit more power to go with the battery size increase...I think you might quite like that.

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess with that Ariya. Make a good prop in a sci fi movie...looks a bit "futuristic" to my eyes.

    For me I'm strongly inclined to look at the forthcoming BMW M550 x-drive coming soon, about October. https://www.autocar.co.nz/autocar-ne...ving-soon-2020 Initially BMW will want full whack on retail at $149,990 plus options for a brand new one. A demo late next year at circa $120K might be just what the doctor ordered to spice up my 60th birthday celebration. I'm sure you would prescribe me one if you were my doctor...take this at full throttle at least once daily and even more regularly for really good mood enhancement.
    62kw leaf performance is awesome when accelerating at high speeds compared to the 40 kw.Instant(nearly) overtaking at legal speeds .
    Range is generous and removes range anxiety for my wife.
    Charging of course takes longer and I will soon have home solar which will dc charge quicker bypassing the invertor .

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    All sounds pretty cool mate. More powerful electric car powered by the sun from solar panels on your roof.
    Hope your solar system works properly. Friend of mine paid $17K for a fancy 12 panel system that's still not working properly more than two years after installation.
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