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    Quote Originally Posted by Raz View Post
    I would prefer that in the garage..looks a better deal than the telesa ...with a nice body kit may be able to persuade her...
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    Well respected motoring journalist Steve Sutcliffe opines on the new AMG E63.
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    Just anecdotally, in Shanghai at the moment and sitting at a bar on the corner watching traffic.... nearly every vehicle, be it a car or a scooter is electric. (about 9 out of 10) Not an exhaust to be seen. I believe the govt gives subsidies for electric vehicles. They say the cars here have a range of between 150 and 250km. Tis a lot warmer though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackcap View Post
    Just anecdotally, in Shanghai at the moment and sitting at a bar on the corner watching traffic.... nearly every vehicle, be it a car or a scooter is electric. (about 9 out of 10) Not an exhaust to be seen. I believe the govt gives subsidies for electric vehicles. They say the cars here have a range of between 150 and 250km. Tis a lot warmer though.
    Yep, and I reckon if they weren't electric you wouldn't be there, and neither would the bar in a year or so.

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    Could somebody please explain where the electricity required comes from for whole countries to have an entirely electric fleet of short haul cars for city dwellers. Coal, Gas, Hydro, Geothermal, Solar, Wind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minerbarejet View Post
    Could somebody please explain where the electricity required comes from for whole countries to have an entirely electric fleet of short haul cars for city dwellers. Coal, Gas, Hydro, Geothermal, Solar, Wind?
    shhh don't go ruining the narrative there about clean and green. EV's a huge con as far as I am concerned. But if people want to be conned, thats up to them.

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    "They" are probably punting on some new clean source being discovered/commercialised before ICE become outlawed!


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    Blind leading the blind; luckily your EV will drive you. Dirty power will be phased out and renewables etc will replace; technology; new ideas, inventions. This is a perfect time to foster and grow new technologies; efficiencies etc; thats the part i find exciting; humans solving and overcoming problems such as human induced global warming; just hope we get it done on time.You will have to live a life of the guilty or adapt embrace, change; dead simple. Nothing to lose by going with with it; everything to lose by not.
    Hope you've kept up with Oil? There is minimal new discoveries; they are not keeping up with depletion; smaller , deeper , more expensive; boy oh boy is the ****e going to hit the fan.Luckily the world is realising this and going for clean alternatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minerbarejet View Post
    Could somebody please explain where the electricity required comes from for whole countries to have an entirely electric fleet of short haul cars for city dwellers. Coal, Gas, Hydro, Geothermal, Solar, Wind?
    You forgot a genuine source of electricity that isn't a carbon emitter, doesn't take up vast tracts of land, kill birds, isn't affected by drought or weather... and that's nuclear power. Perhaps not for NZ but in a lot of Europe that will be about the only dense enough source to produce the electricity required.

    The question about what you do about the spent fissionable material and safety hasn't been sorted but there are a few avenues being looked at - it does not however sit nicely inside the ideology of many.

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    Thanks for that.
    Could somebody please explain where the electricity required comes from for whole countries to have an entirely electric fleet of long haul cars for rural dwellers. Coal, Gas, Hydro, Geothermal, Solar, Wind?
    How do you get around having to provide power to excavators, draglines, 18 wheelers, tractors, large ships, outboard motors, fishing vessels, chainsaws, bulldozers - all users of fossil fuels by and large?
    Are we to expect that 120 years of development of small and large ICE powered devices that actually help create electric cars, solar panels and windmills as a byproduct of this human investment in knowledge, business and technological nous, is about to be chucked down the dunny in a quixotic effort to control weather?
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    All new 10th generation Honda Civic has morphed into a mid sized car in my opinion. Mr and Mrs Beagle are deeply impressed by the caliber of this new vehicle for what in the past has been a basic cooking model staple of a car from Honda. New model is using an average of 8.2 L 100 km's vs claimed 6.4L / 100 km's a 28% increase in the real world over lab tested claimed efficiency which is understandable due to the extremely hilly terrain, number of short trips and the fact that the engine is new and being run in. Previous hybrid was using 6.6L 100 km's v claim of 4.6 L /100 km's a 43.5% increase of lab results. No wonder Honda had to settle class action lawsuits in the U.S. over disingenuous hybrid fuel efficiency claims !

    The slight increase in fuel consumption compared to the former hybrid is easily covered by the extra 13 native trees this one will get planted as a result of its purchase through the Honda tree fund. On another note I hear the Genisis's Rankine units at Huntly have been burning coal at the maximum possible rate in the last few weeks to keep up with electricity demanded by new electric car owners. Hmmmm
    One thing we are definitely noticing with the new car is the ride quality is substantially better. I guess not having to carry around 100 kg's of machinery, battery to power the hybrid system has other benefits too. (Have a read of some of the reviews of PHEV vehicles, a common complaint is harsher ride quality due to their weight).
    Fully electric or ICE I reckon and for me its ICE until fully electric has decent range / performance at a sensible price that's not dissimilar to ICE cars.
    Happy to let others be the Guinea pigs for the foreseeable future.
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    I'm with you Mr Beagle, range and performance ( that costs the same as an ordinary car does now, 'cause you can get range and performance from a Tesla , but that costs nearly the same as an Aston etc and I know which one I'd prefer! - if funds were no object)
    Infrastructure also need to be in place - ie charging stations and as I have said before (well somebody did) how will it be taxed - road user charges or general electricity be taxed like petrol is now to cover the fall off in the tax take once petrol use decreases.

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    On the road user charges thing, our diesel car RUC went from ~ $250 per 10,000 km's in 2007 to ~ $620 per 10,000 km's in 2017. ~ 2.5 times the rate over a decade when inflation averaged just 2% a year. That suggests how the Govt will fund roads in the future. Expect road user charges of around $1,000 per 10,000 km's by 2022 which is around about when some experts reckon we'll cross over the 2% national fleet percentage where after RUC will be charged. Of course if mass adoption follows the national grid could come under pressure and we might be paying circa 35 cents per Kw/hr to change them up too and burning coal in those Rankine units at Huntly 24/7 all year round. Hmmmm Buying a fuel efficient car and planting more native trees makes a lot of common sense for now.
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    Fortunately the XC90 comes in a hybrid version too Roger

    I am a few thousand kms in and get 7.1 to 7.2lts per 100km on the open road. Combined from start is sitting at 7.6 to 7.7lts and this includes around town, roof box on most of it so it is getting better already than the first drive home.

    I think next one for us will be a hybrid and no more road users, maybe a hybrid XC60 or XC40 as a second car in a few years.

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    The current XC90 Phev is only exempt from road user charges until the national electric / PHEV fleet hits 2% mate. Meanwhile with that vehicle being supercharged and turbocharged and multiple electric drive units and a big lithium-ion battery The distributors of Volvo will be rubbing their hands with glee when these vehicles come out of their initial warranty period. What a bonanza awaits their spare parts division profit center !
    Nice fuel economy for such a big vehicle by the way. A lot to be said for a relatively simple turbo diesel engine especially one without a DPF filter !
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