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    Quote Originally Posted by mccollr View Post
    Another perspective with a lot of detail.

    https://cleantechnica.com/2019/02/25...auto-industry/
    yeh interesting article - with some cool charts!

    I think we all want whats around the corner, and the faster technology moves, the more we don't want to buy today.

    Im not ready to buy a another new car yet , got a few more years left in this last one I bought - I like to get value from them. So I'm hoping that graph of drivetrain prices is right and my new car might be even cheaper then than it is now
    For clarity, nothing I say is advice....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mccollr View Post
    Another perspective with a lot of detail.

    https://cleantechnica.com/2019/02/25...auto-industry/
    Excellent read thanks, i hope its right , cant come soon enough.

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    When they make them with reasonable range at a price very, very similar to an ICE vehicle is when most people will become interested and in the meantime planting trees which confers benifets for many decades, (and doesn't involve supporting child slave labour in the Congo to mine cobalt https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ell-Earth.html ) is a far better option to help the environment. N.Z. Autocar have tested a Jaguar I Pace in the latest issue of their magazine which is out now and has some interesting things to say about the "quality" and handling of Tesla's.

    Unfortunately they also have quite a surprising perspective on the real world range of the Jaguar I Pace that should be compulsory reading for anyone thinking of buying one and then consider that the range will gradually decline as the battery gets older. Lets just say I am glad I didn't buy one sight unseen despite pressure from the Jaguar dealer who hounded me a fair bit.
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    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/motoring/n...cid=spartandhp

    Doesn't look too shabby at all. N.Z. specifications, pricing and options here https://www.audi.co.nz/dam/nemo/nz/M...ruary-2019.pdf

    Deep dive review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7Sda74nYHA

    Pricing is considerably better than the Jaguar I Pace and well worth noting that many of the tech functions that one must pay for on the top spec Jaguar I Pace at $179,995 are standard on the base spec $148,000 E Tron. Also includes Audi's extremely well regarded virtual cockpit and air suspension is standard and the 1800 kg tow rating of the Audi compares with zero tow rating of the Jaguar.
    I would have the full spec advanced E Tron at $157,000 and the $23,000 cash left over from a top spec Jaguar I Pace in a heartbeat.
    Audi quality significantly better than Jaguar in my opinion.

    If I was looking to spend ~ $150,000 on a high end Euro vehicle, (I'm not), I would evaluate one of these.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/motoring/n...cid=spartandhp

    Doesn't look too shabby at all. N.Z. specifications, pricing and options here https://www.audi.co.nz/dam/nemo/nz/M...ruary-2019.pdf

    Deep dive review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7Sda74nYHA

    Pricing is considerably better than the Jaguar I Pace and well worth noting that many of the tech functions that one must pay for on the top spec Jaguar I Pace at $179,995 are standard on the base spec $148,000 E Tron. Also includes Audi's extremely well regarded virtual cockpit and air suspension is standard and the 1800 kg tow rating of the Audi compares with zero tow rating of the Jaguar.
    I would have the full spec advanced E Tron at $157,000 and the $23,000 cash left over from a top spec Jaguar I Pace in a heartbeat.
    Audi quality significantly better than Jaguar in my opinion.

    If I was looking to spend ~ $150,000 on a high end Euro vehicle, (I'm not), I would evaluate one of these.
    Pre orders for this are big in NZ.

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    *YAWN*

    Where's the autonomous safety features that the Tesla EV have? Tesla is working on getting the 'Summons' command right, where are all the other EV competitors in this area? Surely to pay $150K for an European EV should do more than just being electric powered vs their ICE counterpart model ? The Model X at least is a bit different having gullwing doors. Not saying i'm a fan of Tesla but it's a tough sell for any EV car over $150K if the only feature different is being electric.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raz View Post
    Pre orders for this are big in NZ.
    Not surprised by that. Looks for all the world like an Audi Q8 but powered with EV rather than diesel.
    Quote Originally Posted by SBQ View Post
    *YAWN*

    Where's the autonomous safety features that the Tesla EV have? Tesla is working on getting the 'Summons' command right, where are all the other EV competitors in this area? Surely to pay $150K for an European EV should do more than just being electric powered vs their ICE counterpart model ? The Model X at least is a bit different having gullwing doors. Not saying i'm a fan of Tesla but it's a tough sell for any EV car over $150K if the only feature different is being electric.
    Audi's research shows that customers want their EV to look like any other Audi. This is priced exactly in line with and is ostensibly an Audi Q8 EV.
    https://www.audi.co.nz/dam/nemo/nz/M...9-Nov-2018.pdf The only reasons I can see now to buy a diesel Audi Q8 are the longer range and 3500 kg tow rating. Interestingly an Audi Q8 diesel has 210 kw's and the EV 300 kw's. The former attracts both diesel costs and road user charges and the latter, neither. I expect RUC will be charged on EV's with a few years though.
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    https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/new...or-new-zealand

    Will JT actually do something rather than just talking green if this is relatively affordable ?

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    8.1% of total sales now EV's in china massive jump.

    CHINESE EV POLICY & MARKET
    The compound effect of Chinas economic instability and the later-than-anticipated NEV (New Electric Vehicle) policy announcement meant there was little to drive Chinese demand. After much anticipation, the updated Chinese NEV policy was announced late in the quarter on 26 March indicating subsidies would be cut by between 47% and 60% for EV’s that met the minimum range requirement. Orocobre views the progressive reduction to China’s EV policy as an effective way of improving the technical standards and performance of China’s battery and EV industry. Despite the current industry restructuring, China continues to record robust electric vehicle sales achieving 198% year-on-year growth in January 2019 (includes full battery EV, BEV and plug-in hybrid PHEV), while EV sales as a proportion of total sales increased to 8.1% in December 2018 compared with 3.8% a year earlier.



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    Those Chinese EV's must be good then, so I nominate you to buy that one I referred to in the link above and then tell us all about it.

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    Like many im waiting for the prices to drop as volume increases, and efficiency and tech improves.
    Meanwhile as ive told you we have stuck to a one car family. Also a small motor lower emissions as well. I also reduce my driving times.
    I dont need a big phallic symbol guzzler or HP to feel good about myself.
    I use a hand mower.And trim hedges manually.
    Ive reduced my red meat intake alot. Its calculated that eliminating red meat can reduce your carbon footprint by 40%!. I guess that includes dairy too, im working on reducing not eliminating that.
    I compost and also recycle plastics, paper , cardboard , glass.
    I exercise alot and eat sensible portions, my BMI is good.
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    Viewed the deep dive review (see link post #1149). Looks like a top effort from Audi with typical high quality Audi standards. If one was looking to spend ~ $150K on a Euro vehicle at present I think this should definitely be on your list for review.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    Viewed the deep dive review (see link post #1149). Looks like a top effort from Audi with typical high quality Audi standards. If one was looking to spend ~ $150K on a Euro vehicle at present I think this should definitely be on your list for review.
    But without autonomous driving ability? Surely for that price, the doors should open up walking to the car and close electronically like the Telsa cars do. I'm reiterating, anything without these feature would be a glorified electric golf cart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SBQ View Post
    But without autonomous driving ability? Surely for that price, the doors should open up walking to the car and close electronically like the Telsa cars do. I'm reiterating, anything without these feature would be a glorified electric golf cart.
    Your Tesla fanboy status is acknowledged but there is so much more to owning a vehicle than some eccentric tricks. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review...2019-uk-review
    You won't get it so I won't try and explain it to you

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