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    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/112...tives#comments

    Going off doubling U.K. Pricing I can't see many punters rushing to sign up for a Tesla Model 3
    https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review...2019-uk-review

    When VW eventually make an electric Golf with over 300 km range for about $50K Kiwi then we will see some serious level of uptake.
    Last edited by Beagle; 02-05-2019 at 02:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
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    Going off doubling U.K. Pricing I can't see many punters rushing to sign up for a Tesla Model 3
    https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review...2019-uk-review

    When VW eventually make an electric Golf with over 300 km range for about $50K Kiwi then we will see some serious level of uptake.
    I agree. There is some interesting developments with the new model Leaf going on sale in NZ this year at $60k and the MG ZS SUV all electric at $40k. Spoke to the local MG agents Cockram and they expect delivery by the end of they year and are expecting a $40k price tag. https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/roa...ordable-new-ev.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mccollr View Post
    I agree. There is some interesting developments with the new model Leaf going on sale in NZ this year at $60k and the MG ZS SUV all electric at $40k. Spoke to the local MG agents Cockram and they expect delivery by the end of they year and are expecting a $40k price tag. https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/roa...ordable-new-ev.
    335km by far not good enough for me. I can get from here to Queenstown (and further) on one tank of gas. I'd expect an EV to be able to do the same before I would consider one

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    335km by far not good enough for me. I can get from here to Queenstown (and further) on one tank of gas. I'd expect an EV to be able to do the same before I would consider one
    Is that 335km in summer or also in winter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackcap View Post
    Is that 335km in summer or also in winter?
    Lets put it this way. I wouldn't trust it to get me home after skiing at Mount Hutt for the day

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    Lets put it this way. I wouldn't trust it to get me home after skiing at Mount Hutt for the day
    Yeah that is going to be the big downer with EV's. Fine in summer, but oops if you need to go anywhere when its 0-5 degrees out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackcap View Post
    Yeah that is going to be the big downer with EV's. Fine in summer, but oops if you need to go anywhere when its 0-5 degrees out.
    Yeah - the Ford model T wasn't that much cop either.

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    https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/use...adedf614b8-005

    This is the EV you greenies really want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post

    Going off doubling U.K. Pricing I can't see many punters rushing to sign up for a Tesla Model 3
    Luckily, NZ prices aren't double UK prices, otherwise you might have a point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vagabond47 View Post
    Luckily, NZ prices aren't double UK prices, otherwise you might have a point.
    Why don't you list the N.Z. retail prices for the Model 3 then ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    Why don't you list the N.Z. retail prices for the Model 3 then ?
    Because they aren't retailing them here yet? But you can't pull a conversion factor out of your butt and declare that to be the nz retail price, even though making s**t up seems to be your forte.

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    Double the retail U.K. price when the currency has been at about 50p has proved to be a reliable benchmark for a very wide range of other manufacturers over many years.
    U.K. consumers have seen quite a "sticker shock" when prices were announced https://www.msn.com/en-nz/motoring/n...cid=spartandhp so I think its highly likely Kiwi consumers will be in for similar treatment when they finally get RHD versions delivered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    https://www.caradvice.com.au/751280/...-ev-batteries/
    At least 1 manufacturer is taking a stand against the exploitation of children in cobalt mining unlike others who simply don't care who they exploit as long as they grow their companies.
    New batt uses 50% less cobalt and more nickel.

    https://chargedevs.com/newswire/kore...ncm-811-cells/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    New batt uses 50% less cobalt and more nickel.

    https://chargedevs.com/newswire/kore...ncm-811-cells/
    Yes an old article but a good one. For a while now I have been aware that Lithium Polymer batteries can have higher density and indeed better durability that Lithium ion.
    Still waiting for that real breakthrough new battery type though that's a real radical gamechanger.

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    In theory, an Aluminium Ion battery has an energy density of about 1000 Watt Hours per kg compared to a theoretical of about 400 Watt Hours per kg from a Lithium Ion battery (practically we are getting about 250-300 Wh/kg) but these are not commercially feasible at this time but a lot of work is being done in R&D.

    Another option being explored is Aluminium Air Primary Batteries (although they aren't rechargeable unless they figure out how to replace the anodes) as they offer in theory around 6,000 to 8,000 Watt Hours per kg so even more dense than petrol in energy but very expensive and the reaction means that there are byproducts which mean the anodes need to be replaced once discharged. If the anodes are able to replaced, then you could in theory see refueling taking minutes from swapping quick swap battery packs as swapping out anodes seems quite beyond what a consumer would want to do and charge cycles would take a lot of time using a single phase home connection or even a three phase given the energy required - although you are looking at ranges of potentially 600km+ for a decent sized battery.

    Plus aluminium is relatively abundant and reasonably easy to recycle compared to Nickel or Lithium.

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