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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    I also don't like the idea of new affordable homes for first time buyers.

    I figure a right of passsge on the old property ladder is to start with an affordable dunger and work up from there
    You are absolutely right about that. I like to see new homes built to a reasonably high standard of design and construction - ideally for those who have built up equity. Every new house built adds to the pool and if it's not 'affordable' to first home buyers it simply doesn't matter, because it inevitably frees up a second hand home down the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    You are absolutely right about that. I like to see new homes built to a reasonably high standard of design and construction - ideally for those who have built up equity. Every new house built adds to the pool and if it's not 'affordable' to first home buyers it simply doesn't matter, because it inevitably frees up a second hand home down the line.
    That logic doesn't stack up with a growing population being fuelled by immigration. The new housing stock can be snapped up by new arrivals

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonu View Post
    That logic doesn't stack up with a growing population being fuelled by immigration. The new housing stock can be snapped up by new arrivals
    If that's the case at least they would have to 'snap up' a quality long life building equipped with up to date features. Every new dwelling is an extra one. Why build cheap homes for new immigrants to snap up! Nothing solved by building cheap housing. High quality duplex units would free up two existing older houses, or accommodate one immigrant and one existing home owner .


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    Why not Quonset/Nissan huts? Cheap - 4days to build - Then jack them up on posts, fil in the sides and call them Dutch Barns? I have lived in worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonu View Post
    That logic doesn't stack up with a growing population being fuelled by immigration. The new housing stock can be snapped up by new arrivals
    If they can't afford the housing why are they coming into the county?

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    If they can't afford the housing why are they coming into the county?
    I didn't say they couldn't Mini. I just pointed out that new stock doesn't automatically free up an older house elsewhere.

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    Impressive move today. Keep miteria away from a ministetial role but dont insist on resignation. I like it!

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    Yes , so far so very , very extraordinary good.Im looking forward to see how she communicates Labours policies next; fingers crossed but feeling positive ,which is a relief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    Yes , so far so very , very extraordinary good.Im looking forward to see how she communicates Labours policies next; fingers crossed but feeling positive ,which is a relief.
    She's a socialist, so expect all sorts of things she offers to 'give' you, just as long as you pay for it.

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    Yeah maybe check the level of your moat, top it up grease your drawbridge cogs and lift the drawbridge and bathe in your golden hoard and eat golden marmalade on golden ingots; look after yourself only. good luck laying the golden eggs

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    She's a socialist, so expect all sorts of things she offers to 'give' you, just as long as you pay for it.
    Not a real socialist though, none are. I know she was head of socialist youth international, however daddy a top cop and diplomat, she looks to be doing quite nicely out of the capitalist system. International socialist youth these days is more about middle class kids promoting democracy, human rights and world peace. Far removed from Marxist ideals of a proletarian uprising. The means of production will stay squarely in the hands of the elite under a Jacinda leadership.

    My concern is she might revisit the retirement age thing. Can see politics turning into a young versus old battle in the near future, and we can already see which side she is on. All those young dissafected voters blaming their lack of homes and jobs on baby boomers, need a leader to galvanise their vote. What better way than to make the boomers pay for their own retirement, just like the young are forced to pay for their own education.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ratkin View Post
    Not a real socialist though, none are. I know she was head of socialist youth international, however daddy a top cop and diplomat, she looks to be doing quite nicely out of the capitalist system. International socialist youth these days is more about middle class kids promoting democracy, human rights and world peace. Far removed from Marxist ideals of a proletarian uprising. The means of production will stay squarely in the hands of the elite under a Jacinda leadership.

    My concern is she might revisit the retirement age thing. Can see politics turning into a young versus old battle in the near future, and we can already see which side she is on. All those young dissafected voters blaming their lack of homes and jobs on baby boomers, need a leader to galvanise their vote. What better way than to make the boomers pay for their own retirement, just like the young are forced to pay for their own education.
    One of my concerns is her concern about those who choose not to vote, or show no interest in voting. She may be inclined to bribe them out of their complacency by offering everyone else's money, as Clark and Cullen did. They certainly dragged out voters who were motivated only by their own self interest. While I accept our social welfare system is desirable and necessary for human dignity, I detest the way politicians use it as a bidding war for votes. I hope to see Jacinda distance herself and the party from the extreme Robin Hood policies emanating from the Labour camp from time to time when one of their lot has a brain explosion.
    As far as those younger voters who don't vote - why worry? The day will come when they see how politics affects their lives, and their country. While I'm spouting on, I can't think of anything more ridiculous than Australian law which makes it an offence not to vote. Even those who cannot name one politician, not even the P.M, are compelled to line up to inflict their wisdom on their fellow citizens.
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    And what percentage of voters cast meaningful votes here? Take out those who vote National or Labour because that is their religion, imprinted on their brain from birth. Take out another large chunk of voters, often younger ones, who don't give a stuff about politics. A bus load or two of elderly in various stages of dementia and a few village idiots. The remainder decide your future. I've worked on a few elections and it's almost scary to see some of the voters. Some have to be taken through the whole process every single word, where to put their mark etc. and then returned to their carers. Even the Australian voters don't have to vote - they can do the same as some do here - spoil the vote by marking candidates in a way that cannot be counted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    . She may be inclined to bribe them out of their complacency by offering everyone else's money, as Clark and Cullen did.
    Welcome to politics 101. Every party does it. National has just spent up large buying Carers votes by meddling in the good faith employment front - worse than Labour when it comes to setting National Awards!

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    I think we can safely say thats changed now - you might want to prepare for the possibility of her being the next PM
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    Why would you vote for a party where the leader has regularly stated she does not want to be Prime Minister?

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