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    Labour / Greens have a decent chance at forming a government this election. Ms Turei has said she won't be looking to be a minister. That sounds to me as if Labour has put the hard word on about that. That will limit the damage to the alliance, as otherwise it will be front and centre of every interview and leaders' debate. Maybe still will, as there is considerable hypocrisy in her previous calls for resignations, stand downs etc.

    Admitted welfare fraud and electoral fraud should really be a bridge too far. But she has managed to stay in her roles so far

    She will be hoping no further public admissions need be made. But a lot of people knew her and her living arrangements back in the day ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major von Tempsky View Post
    But surely terminal stupidity is the real issue? The electoral roll shows her living at the address with the father of her children and her mother wile claiming benefits?

    People that stupid should not be leading political parties. She needs to resign with that sort of evidence against her.
    How many 23 year olds also do stupid things? As a good professor said on RNZ this morning, this act of stupidity is on the low end of stupid things 23 year olds do.

    Hardly imo enough to have her resign, but certainly brings into question her morality and integrity. Arguably it's more stupid divulging her fraudulent past than having actually done it. Anyway, it's backfired on her and the Greens, with major parties distancing themselves from her in a cabinet role and damaging the Labour / Greens love-in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baa_Baa View Post
    How many 23 year olds also do stupid things? As a good professor said on RNZ this morning, this act of stupidity is on the low end of stupid things 23 year olds do.

    Hardly imo enough to have her resign, but certainly brings into question her morality and integrity. Arguably it's more stupid divulging her fraudulent past than having actually done it. Anyway, it's backfired on her and the Greens, with major parties distancing themselves from her in a cabinet role and damaging the Labour / Greens love-in.
    Depends why she did it, which is hardly likely to be to vote for her friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baa_Baa View Post
    How many 23 year olds also do stupid things? As a good professor said on RNZ this morning, this act of stupidity is on the low end of stupid things 23 year olds do.
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    Of course 23 year olds do stupid things. But remember how the three A's work

    First Accept what you have done is wrong.
    Second Apologise for your wrongdoing
    Third Atone in some way.

    Not seeing this from MT. Rather its the ends justify the means; no apology and cling to job so semi Claytons consequence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    Of course 23 year olds do stupid things. But remember how the three A's work

    First Accept what you have done is wrong.
    Second Apologise for your wrongdoing
    Third Atone in some way.

    Not seeing this from MT. Rather its the ends justify the means; no apology and cling to job so semi Claytons consequence.
    It all started as a stunt, MT was sanctioned by the Greens to 'get some air' in the lead up to elections, by taking a calculated risk to divulge her benefit fraud, which worked very well as the polls showed. However, as things unfolded the media dug deeper, further revelations of electorate fraud emerged and it's turning to custard, for her, the Green's and the Labour coalition.

    I would be very surprised if she had divulged the electorate fraud to the Green's when outlining the original strategy to come clean on the benefits fraud! All together this could easily spiral into a complete disaster for; her - resigning (it's amazing that Jacinda has not demanded her resignation and merely said she would not be in a Labour led cabinet); for Greens - loss of voters and loss of Labour cooperation and coalition; for Labour - loss of coalition partner they so desperately need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baa_Baa View Post
    How many 23 year olds also do stupid things? As a good professor said on RNZ this morning, this act of stupidity is on the low end of stupid things 23 year olds do.

    Hardly imo enough to have her resign, but certainly brings into question her morality and integrity. Arguably it's more stupid divulging her fraudulent past than having actually done it. Anyway, it's backfired on her and the Greens, with major parties distancing themselves from her in a cabinet role and damaging the Labour / Greens love-in.
    Her problem is, she has lost all possibility of being in a position of governance. How can she possibly be part of government responsible for making sure taxpayer's money is not being rorted by beneficiaries, when she has admitted to it herself? She has also admitted to flouting the electoral laws that she and the rest of us rely upon for the integrity of our government.

    She has lost all moral authority to be in the house of representatives. I would be saying the same no matter what party she was in. It has nothing to do with being in the Greens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonu View Post
    Her problem is, she has lost all possibility of being in a position of governance. How can she possibly be part of government responsible for making sure taxpayer's money is not being rorted by beneficiaries, when she has admitted to it herself? She has also admitted to flouting the electoral laws that she and the rest of us rely upon for the integrity of our government.

    She has lost all moral authority to be in the house of representatives. I would be saying the same no matter what party she was in. It has nothing to do with being in the Greens.
    Completely agree. I forgot to add that she could also be facing; pay back the benefit money; pay two fines (benefit fraud and electoral fraud); go to jail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonu View Post
    Her problem is, she has lost all possibility of being in a position of governance. How can she possibly be part of government responsible for making sure taxpayer's money is not being rorted......
    She clearly hasnt followed porn man Shane Jones - he followed the 3 A's and look where he is now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    She clearly hasnt followed porn man Shane Jones - he followed the 3 A's and look where he is now.
    She'll be gone if the Kermits show a drop in the next poll, which is almost guaranteed. They'll chuck her out.

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    I seem to recall that if you are convicted of a crime punishable by gaol then you are out as an MP let alone as a Minister.

    Do her crimes add to gaol yet? Are there any more to come?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major von Tempsky View Post
    I seem to recall that if you are convicted of a crime punishable by gaol then you are out as an MP let alone as a Minister.

    Do her crimes add to gaol yet? Are there any more to come?
    I think it has to be a crime where the penalty can be a two year prison term or more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    I think it has to be a crime where the penalty can be a two year prison term or more.
    Also got to be a crime that is chargeable - she is probably outside a limitation period

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    You'd need to prosecute thousand and thousands more of people who were/are stuck in actual poverty traps and need/ed to do something to survive; feed the kids etc. Its bennett who is not acknowledging her possible worse fraud that needs to be investigated. Its white collar tax fraud that needs to be investigated far more; i mean home detention for stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars more!! Its the auditor general arguably the most powerful man in the land only going when forced too which is a scary thought to think that such a person was prepared to stay there!
    I guess she is best at home staying in parliment with other politicans,.
    The real damage to society is done when they leave parliment and become directors of companies.
    Just another to add to our best to avoid list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by percy View Post
    I guess she is best at home staying in parliment with other politicans,.
    The real damage to society is done when they leave parliment and become directors of companies.
    Just another to add to our best to avoid list.
    Seldom write on political issues but I have a concern here... the amount of voters who think welfare fraud is OK and admire her for doing it surprised me.

    I don't care if they are from National Greens Labour NZ First or from whatever (including very large companies)...any person designated to have a part to play in looking after the welfare of NZ Inc should not have a history of corrupt practices.

    We NZers are proud of our Government and their public services..We have one of least corrupt and more transparent Government systems (all political parties make a government) in the world....We as individuals have only one shot at this every 3 years to make damn sure it stays this way....
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    Im not proud of this govt Hoop. Too many tainted ministers imo ,right to the top. Too long in power has corrupted them i believe. We can do better. Wake up NZ there is now an alternative and ideals to be enacted.

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