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    Default Labour to Tax Water

    I'd like to be able ot comment on the policy - but there isnt one. Seems the idea will go out to consultation after the election.

    So after a quick scan I may be able to support a tax on bottled water for export. Except tax is already being raised from the GSt and PAYE generated by the businesses bottling the water.

    As for farmers, they may as well look at a tax on sunshine as well.

    That said I wouldnt mind a bit of a tax going on the water going into Coke

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    Never really understood why people get knickers in a twist over charging for the trillions of litres of water that falls out of the sky for free every year. Most of which ends up in the sea. Paying for infrastructure to treat, store or transport it - no problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    I'd like to be able ot comment on the policy - but there isnt one. Seems the idea will go out to consultation after the election.

    So after a quick scan I may be able to support a tax on bottled water for export. Except tax is already being raised from the GSt and PAYE generated by the businesses bottling the water.

    As for farmers, they may as well look at a tax on sunshine as well.

    That said I wouldnt mind a bit of a tax going on the water going into Coke
    I don't think there is GST on exports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 777 View Post
    I don't think there is GST on exports.
    gst is on all local purchases like oil for machines, power and presumsbly plastic bottles

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    I'd like to be able ot comment on the policy - but there isnt one. Seems the idea will go out to consultation after the election.

    So after a quick scan I may be able to support a tax on bottled water for export. Except tax is already being raised from the GSt and PAYE generated by the businesses bottling the water.

    As for farmers, they may as well look at a tax on sunshine as well.

    That said I wouldnt mind a bit of a tax going on the water going into Coke
    Let them take the water for export, as long as it is bottled here. Heaps of jobs, so encourage it.

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    John Key steadfastly said "nobody" owns the water. That was the Government's stance when it fought this at the Waitangi Tribunal. The Government starting direct charges for water is a major change and will open up a big can of worms. Maori will go straight back to the Tribunal. Ill thought out and dangerous from Labour , don't even have a policy ready. Just being populist saying they will charge foreign companies taking and exporting water but that quantity is miniscule in the scheme of things. Think irrigation, horticulture, wine, beer, meat works, you name it
    Last edited by iceman; 10-08-2017 at 10:08 AM.

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    iceman, I expect them to backtrack on most of the policy manque and go forward with the export water bottlers only. There seems to be a groundswell of support for that, such as Bung the Bore. Whether that support base understands the issues is a whole other story.

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    They will be taxing the Air next, a breathing tax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratkin View Post
    They will be taxing the Air next, a breathing tax.
    But it will be a regional tax; will apply only in Auckland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artemis View Post
    iceman, I expect them to backtrack on most of the policy manque and go forward with the export water bottlers only. There seems to be a groundswell of support for that, such as Bung the Bore. Whether that support base understands the issues is a whole other story.
    Yes exactly, just pure populism. The total amount of water exported annually as drinking water from NZ, runs under a bridge on the Waikato River in 33 seconds I read today.
    Last edited by iceman; 10-08-2017 at 06:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    Yes exactly, just pure populism. The total amount of water exported as drinking water from NZ, runs under a bridge on the Waikato River every 33 seconds I read today.
    Every 33 seconds sounds like a lot of water. I thought it was very little volume as a percentage..

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    Every 33 seconds sounds like a lot of water. I thought it was very little volume as a percentage..
    You got me. Corrected

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    You got me. Corrected
    Ah. That's better. I thought it sounded a bit haywire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    Yes exactly, just pure populism. The total amount of water exported annually as drinking water from NZ, runs under a bridge on the Waikato River in 33 seconds I read today.
    Interesting example in the context of water, tax and money going to clean waterways. As a youngster growing up beside the Waikato you did not swim in it for its filth. Only good for the occasional eel or on a stinking hot day you would risk a paddle in a backwater eddy. That was many years ago and before "blo0dy dairy farms polluting the water!!!!"

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    Yeah but you can't drink that water that runs under the bridge over the waikato river.
    Water charge sounds great. user pays then user will learn to conserve and value and protect the quality of the resource rather than the expendable opposite. Good one Labour. just another thing the nat didn't have the guts to look at and action,(protecting their base?).

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