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    I find this interesting and relevant to whats happening in other parts of the world. BTW its user pays in my city for water too.

    D. PROSPECTS FOR WATER PRICING

    Looking at the evolution of water prices relative to headline inflation from1986 to 2011, real water prices have risen similarly to those of oil,highlighting the scarcity of the resource. Should this trend continue, thesector is likely to offer further strong risk-adjusted returns for equityinvestorsxl.
    Whereas most utilities encounter issues raising cost-covering watertariffs, the price of water has increased significantly in many regions inrecent years. In the US and UK, water tariffs have outstripped headlineinflation by 18% and 27% respectively over the past five years. Theequivalent statistics for the same period for Europe, Canada andAustralia show outperformance of 9%, 35% and 22% respectively in waterprices over and above headline inflationxli.

    There is considerable disparity in water prices between countries. Theprice of a cubic meter of water in France, which is relatively water-rich, isabout 50% higher than the price of a cubic meter of water in Spain, whichis considered to be water-poor. Countries including the UK, Denmark andGermany set tariffs not only covering operating costs, but also coveringthe capital financing costs. Libya, Ireland and Turkmenistan, barely
    charge for water services at all and taxpayers bear the entire financingburden. In China and India, water is very cheap as a percentage ofdisposable income, but this fosters over-extraction of water resources, asituation that will prove to be unsustainablexlii.
    In China in 2009 the integrated water price of 36 large and medium-sizedcities went up 5.5% year-on-year. Larger increases can be expected inthe years ahead, given that many hike requests have been lodged withthe local pricing agency but have yet to be implemented. Recent tariffannouncements highlight the government’s strong commitment to raisingtariffs, an important factor in the future development of the Chinesewater market.

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    A fiend today said that when we started paying a user pays water charge to our council a few years back ,our water use in this city dropped 30 % overnight!! A great example of user pays in operation ;users will value water and conserve and look after it purity wise much more. And with more high tech stuff like Drones to check out which paddocks or parts of paddocks (orchards etc too) need irrigation we are on to a winner all-round.

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    Which city charges you for water JT ?

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    Hi iceman. I will try and find the time to verify the above water savings stated but until then its not a fact; but it sure makes good sense. Thanks for your question jt

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    Which city charges you for water JT ?
    Good question iceman.

    They don't charge him for water. They charge him for the utilities cost. When a farmer uses his own bore to irrigate there are no utilities costs. He pays for the bore and piping himself. That is why he only pays a consent fee. Labour have no idea of the complexity of taking ownership of water, otherwise they wouldn't be proposing it. Their first hurdle will of course be the Treaty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    Which city charges you for water JT ?
    I think the Kapiti Coast Council charges for water usage. Rates dropped to accommodate a water levy. Water usage did drop.

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    Misinformation from national right all the way to its acolytes. i thought maybe you were different jonu,shame on you.
    We pay by the cubic metre here is $1.83 per cubic metre including GST. You have no idea or credibility,tui.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackcap View Post
    I think the Kapiti Coast Council charges for water usage. Rates dropped to accommodate a water levy. Water usage did drop.
    Thanks bc. It stands to reason , hit people in the back pocket even if its tiny and they will save water and money, human nature, win,win,win,allaround.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonu View Post
    Good question iceman.

    They don't charge him for water. They charge him for the utilities cost. When a farmer uses his own bore to irrigate there are no utilities costs. He pays for the bore and piping himself. That is why he only pays a consent fee. Labour have no idea of the complexity of taking ownership of water, otherwise they wouldn't be proposing it. Their first hurdle will of course be the Treaty.
    That's how its done here in Nelson. I wait for JT to answer the question about which city in NZ charges him for water, as opposed to pay for and maintain the infrastructure required to deliver the water. Quite a difference.

    I have just looked up the Kapiti Coast District Council's webpage and find the wording a bit confusing. But this is what they say the "water charges" are used for :
    "Water rates help to pay for water collection and treatment facilities, our water supply network (e.g. fixing, upgrading and replacing pipes) and water conservation measures."
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackcap View Post
    I think the Kapiti Coast Council charges for water usage. Rates dropped to accommodate a water levy. Water usage did drop.
    Tauranga charges $1.89 per cubic metre or 1000 litres. Base charge is $29.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    Misinformation from national right all the way to its acolytes. i thought maybe you were different jonu,shame on you.
    We pay by the cubic metre here is $1.83 per cubic metre including GST. You have no idea or credibility,tui.
    JT, you are paying for the utilities cost of that cubic metreage, not the water itself. I don't need your shame brought on me thanks very much. It would be good however if you were to show some understanding of the complexities of this issue.

    Your local authority does not own the water, so they can't charge you for it. They charge you for the treatment and delivery of it. An irrigator does not have those costs unless they are part of a wider scheme, in which case they again will pay for the delivery of it.

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    Wellington City has optional water meters, about 1200 now. After the initial install charge, the cost is $11+GST a month and $2.32+GST per cubic meter.

    Otherwise ratepayers pay a % of their rates (more or less).

    Not sure how that compares to other areas, but for high priced houses with a low number of occupants it is significantly cheaper.

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    My neighbours in Napier Rural are all charged for water delivery through meters. The service is through to the road by their properties and because they live up on the hills behind, they have storage tanks and pumps up at the houses to increase the supply to a workable level. I live up on the opposite hill but I have no supply and no charges. My water comes from the house roof and implement sheds into a tank and is unfiltered or treated. It tastes great and makes very good Bourbon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craic View Post
    My neighbours in Napier Rural are all charged for water delivery through meters. The service is through to the road by their properties and because they live up on the hills behind, they have storage tanks and pumps up at the houses to increase the supply to a workable level. I live up on the opposite hill but I have no supply and no charges. My water comes from the house roof and implement sheds into a tank and is unfiltered or treated. It tastes great and makes very good Bourbon.
    My brother gets all his water from his roof at home. He is not charged for it and I fail to see how a Labour govt can charge him for it. He does not conserve because there is no need to. Although when there is a dry summer he does use less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonu View Post
    JT, you are paying for the utilities cost of that cubic metreage, not the water itself. I don't need your shame brought on me thanks very much. It would be good however if you were to show some understanding of the complexities of this issue.

    Your local authority does not own the water, so they can't charge you for it. They charge you for the treatment and delivery of it. An irrigator does not have those costs unless they are part of a wider scheme, in which case they again will pay for the delivery of it.
    Wrong again. i have my account in front of me , i get charged by the cubic metre ; a meter man comes around regularly to read it. tui.
    I am one of re 70% of nz who think this is a great idea too for the reasons i have stated mainly people will conserve more and value and look after the resource. Its taken all these years of national fiddling and not having the guts to sort out along with all the other issues, already well documented..

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