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    Jonu is correct. You pay for the availability of water to your property and all the associated costs including treatment, not the water itself. However the charge is done by calculating the number of litres through your meter.

    And if you live in Auckland you pay for waste water charges as a percentage of your water used.

    User pays.
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    In Auckland city you also get charged for disposing of the water - based on the amount you use- they take % of what you use - hence billed by the cubic metre (also to work out your portion of treatment costs) and say that % goes down the storm water so we will charge you X amount per cubic metre for maintaining the infrastructure
    Always what I understood, you are paying for the infrastructure not the water itself , the amount used is to come up with a number - users pays - you use more water you pay more for using the pipes, treatment etc.

    Just what I was trying to say 777 - beat me to it

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    Of course Jonu is correct and JT wrong. No Council in NZ owns the water and therefore can not charge for it. This is the fundamental change with Labour's proposed policy and it will lead to never ending litigation by Maori and other stakeholders

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    Of course Jonu is correct and JT wrong. No Council in NZ owns the water and therefore can not charge for it. This is the fundamental change with Labour's proposed policy and it will lead to never ending litigation by Maori and other stakeholders
    it will be intersting to see how that whanganui river negotiates now that it is a real person. I presume it would be able to prostitute itself by selling its main body of water to any one willing to pay the price.

    Also potential liability problems - what if there is an oversupply which creates harm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    Wrong again. i have my account in front of me , i get charged by the cubic metre ; a meter man comes around regularly to read it. tui.
    JT you really should stop digging this hole for yourself. Maybe ask one of your more knowledgeable labourites for clarification if you don't believe me. Maybe this is the problem in a nut shell and no one in Labour understands it!

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    The more cubes i use the more i pay by what volume i use. ; looks like water,sounds like water, flows like cool, clear water of life.To me i am paying for water . My rates cover everything else. User pays hence the conserving since the meters were put in. People don't leave their sprinklers on all night in summer anymore.User pays(a tiny bit) and the funds will be directed back into improving water purposes in that area except our council use it for who knows what. Me and the other 70% of kiwis agree. Farmers , orchardists etc will all up their game and embrace new tech; drones for instance, new business's and jobs. WINWINWIN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    The more cubes i use the more i pay by what volume i use. ; looks like water,sounds like water, flows like cool, clear water of life.To me i am paying for water . My rates cover everything else. User pays hence the conserving since the meters were put in. People don't leave their sprinklers on all night in summer anymore.User pays(a tiny bit) and the funds will be directed back into improving water purposes in that area except our council use it for who knows what. Me and the other 70% of kiwis agree. Farmers , orchardists etc will all up their game and embrace new tech; drones for instance, new business's and jobs. WINWINWIN
    JT, I think you are mangling yoru arguments.

    The reason you at more for the more water you use is because it costs more to pump it out of the ground, treat it, test and then pump it to your door. So you are paying for these extra costs.

    I haven't heard that the tax on water is for conservation purposes - I thought it was a royalty to help get the waterways cleaner

    Broadly speaking we don't need to conserve water - we are fortunate that we have an over-abundance of the stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    JT, I think you are mangling yoru arguments.

    The reason you at more for the more water you use is because it costs more to pump it out of the ground, treat it, test and then pump it to your door. So you are paying for these extra costs.

    I haven't heard that the tax on water is for conservation purposes - I thought it was a royalty to help get the waterways cleaner

    Broadly speaking we don't need to conserve water - we are fortunate that we have an over-abundance of the stuff
    Labour's candidate in Waitaki told a meeting recently the Council could use it for roads !! They are obviously not clear on what the new tax revenue is going to be used for

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    The more cubes i use the more i pay by what volume i use. ; looks like water,sounds like water, flows like cool, clear water of life.To me i am paying for water . My rates cover everything else. User pays hence the conserving since the meters were put in. People don't leave their sprinklers on all night in summer anymore.User pays(a tiny bit) and the funds will be directed back into improving water purposes in that area except our council use it for who knows what. Me and the other 70% of kiwis agree. Farmers , orchardists etc will all up their game and embrace new tech; drones for instance, new business's and jobs. WINWINWIN
    I'm really beginning to wonder if Labour's policy people (I resume they have a policy team and that Jacinda doesn't just make stuff up) have the same level of understanding as poor old JT.

    "Hey I've got an idea, let's start charging people for water, you know, the stuff that is wet and no one owns. It's a slippery little sucker and tends to flow all over the place and fall from the sky and stuff, but hey, there's a tax in there somewhere. While we are at it, air isn't much different. I know it's an old joke but we could actually tax people for breathing! Someone write this stuff down!"

    Discl: I may actually not be quoting any real person, but I am scared I am
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonu View Post
    I'm really beginning to wonder if Labour's policy people (I resume they have a policy team and that Jacinda doesn't just make stuff up) have the same level of understanding as poor old JT.

    "Hey I've got an idea, let's start charging people for water, you know, the stuff that is wet and no one owns. It's a slippery little sucker and tends to flow all over the place and fall from the sky and stuff, but hey, there's a tax in there somewhere. While we are at it, air isn't much different. I know it's an old joke but we could actually tax people for breathing! Someone right this stuff down!"

    Discl: I may actually not be quoting any real person, but I am scared I am
    Oh, you definitely am !!

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    No matter how you cut it,slice it and dice it., the water I'm charged for; you know the stuff that flows through the unmoving pipes; its a user pays system the more i use the more i pay. the more i conserve the less i pay, its a winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    No matter how you cut it,slice it and dice it., the water I'm charged for; you know the stuff that flows through the unmoving pipes; its a user pays system the more i use the more i pay. the more i conserve the less i pay, its a winner.
    There is a reason it is important whether someone is paying for costs of extraction from source, storage, treatment, reticulation, disposal or for the H2O itself. And that is once H2O is charged for separately from the supply to/from site there becomes a question of ownership. How can some body be paid for something nobody owns. Which is currently the case.

    We change that at our peril.

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    70 % of kiwis disagree with you, think about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    70 % of kiwis disagree with you, think about that.
    On this thread 100% disagree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 777 View Post
    On this thread 100% disagree with you.
    I suspect he is referring to a "survey" I saw somewhere recently which basically asked "do you agree to tax commercial water bottling exporters". Fairly shallow and avoids the big issue questions around this "policy".

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