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    Some farmers may have to pay $50,000 a year royalty for water?? I don't believe that bill.Scaremongering.
    At 2c a cubic litre That would be 2.5 BILLION LITRES as much as 30,000 people use yearly(80 cubic m each)
    Some farmers are incredibly inefficient and wasteful; they have to go or adapt and stop wasting our resource and contributing more pollution(nitrification with too much runoff)
    A 1 or 2c royalty would achieve that almost overnight, win/win/win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    At 2c a litre That would be 2.5 BILLION LITRES as much as 30,000 people use yearly(80 cubic m each)
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    Those figures could well be right. I know that many farmers would use more than 5 cubic metres for 2 milkings. So that is already 5,000 litres per day. Multiply that by 365 you get 1.8 Million litres p/a. I think Bill may be onto something here.

    My bad, I got a bit excited, its 1.8 million, but that is excluding trough water and then there is irrigation. Whichever way you cut it, a 2 cent levy per litre would be catastrophic for farmers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackcap View Post
    Those figures could well be right. I know that many farmers would use more than 5 cubic metres for 2 milkings. So that is already 5,000 litres per day. Multiply that by 365 you get 1.8 Billion litres p/a. I think Bill may be onto something here.
    And that's before the farmer has filled his troughs. A dairy cow will drink 30+ litres a day. Heaven forbid he do any irrigating on top of that. I bet JT likes his milk and cheese though.

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    If your figs are correct. They are being inefficient too imo generally. User pays no matter how small brings efficiency and conservation.
    78 to 80 % of water is used in irrigation and about 3 % for troughs, milking etc.
    In canterbury they are using 3 million litres per hectare /year in some places. Nitrification plus!. Time for farmers to value their resource and become more efficient and conserving of our water. A 1 or 2 cents a cubic metre would achieve this. maybe all of us should pay royalty for the use of water. Id pay about $1.60 a year for my 80 cubes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackcap View Post
    Those figures could well be right. I know that many farmers would use more than 5 cubic metres for 2 milkings. So that is already 5,000 litres per day. Multiply that by 365 you get 1.8 Million litres p/a. I think Bill may be onto something here.

    My bad, I got a bit excited, its 1.8 million, but that is excluding trough water and then there is irrigation. Whichever way you cut it, a 2 cent levy per litre would be catastrophic for farmers.
    Labour are talking 2 cents a cumec (1000 litres) and only for irrigation. Stock water is excluded.

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    Where have you got that detail from FD ? Do you have a link. I think many people would be very interested to see detail on this or any other policy from Labour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshuatree View Post
    some farmers may have to pay $50,000 a year royalty for water?? I don't believe that bill.scaremongering.
    At 2c a litre that would be 2.5 billion litres....
    50,000/0.02 = 2,500,000

    2.5 million litres
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    If so PT 2.5 million litres =2500 cumetres x .02cents =$50

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    Where have you got that detail from FD ? Do you have a link. I think many people would be very interested to see detail on this or any other policy from Labour.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/far...water-bottlers

    I have a mate with 3 smallish centre pivots and he reckons it would cost about $8000 a year

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    Thanks for the article fred. very clear, its the irrigators who are using 78-80% of the water. They will use it more conservatively with a 2c per 1000 litre royalty on it with less runoff and nitrification and no further intensification which has become out of balance with the environment.

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