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14-11-2019, 09:48 PM
#111
Im speaking for a majority. Long time coming and about time. Nobody but nobody has the right to force someone to suffer. We all want a good death.Also was disgusted at some people pretending they had valid reasons against when they were actually only religious ones, no compassion there.
Last edited by Joshuatree; 14-11-2019 at 09:50 PM.
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14-11-2019, 10:08 PM
#112
Originally Posted by Joshuatree
Im speaking for a majority. Long time coming and about time. Nobody but nobody has the right to force someone to suffer. We all want a good death.Also was disgusted at some people pretending they had valid reasons against when they were actually only religious ones, no compassion there.
I would argue religious conviction is a totally valid reason. Or are people of a religious persuasion not allowed to have a view that aligns with their beliefs?
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14-11-2019, 10:26 PM
#113
No not when some one is terminal and their pain cant be managed for example, no place at all.
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14-11-2019, 10:48 PM
#114
Originally Posted by Joshuatree
No not when some one is terminal and their pain cant be managed for example, no place at all.
It's very rare that pain can't be managed in this day and age and I've seen a lot of people with terminal illness die over the last 30 yrs.
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14-11-2019, 11:26 PM
#115
Originally Posted by Joshuatree
No not when some one is terminal and their pain cant be managed for example, no place at all.
Totally disagree. The amount of "suffering" or "discomfort" does not even come into it.
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15-11-2019, 01:32 AM
#116
Originally Posted by blackcap
I would argue religious conviction is a totally valid reason. Or are people of a religious persuasion not allowed to have a view that aligns with their beliefs?
The Bill has nothing to do with religion. Not one iota. People of a religious persuasion are still allowed to have a view that aligns with their beliefs
That statement may now be written:
People have the ability to maintain a view, & now also make a choice, that aligns with their beliefs, their situation and themselves...
Last edited by t.rexjr; 15-11-2019 at 01:43 AM.
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15-11-2019, 01:40 AM
#117
Originally Posted by jonu
Doctors aren't keen to perform it. It goes against their ethics. The palliative care speciallists don't want it either. So the professionals who deal with these issues everyday have been ignored by an MP (and all those who voted for it) who is only in parliament by an accident of MMP.
Much like abortion. The vast majority of the country's abortions are done by a handful of people, bloodsoaked to the elbows. Overseas abortionists have high turnover and suicide rates. Conscience finally gets to them in the end. I wonder whether Seymour has one?
Given that a Doctor or Medical Professional risked being stuck off if they voiced their belief, it's misguided to cast that statement upon those that you seemingly speak on behalf of...
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15-11-2019, 07:56 AM
#118
Originally Posted by t.rexjr
The Bill has nothing to do with religion. Not one iota. People of a religious persuasion are still allowed to have a view that aligns with their beliefs
That statement may now be written:
People have the ability to maintain a view, & now also make a choice, that aligns with their beliefs, their situation and themselves...
That is the point I am trying to make. If people of religious persuasion and view think that euthanasia is a good thing they can vote accordingly. If they think it is a bad thing they can vote accordingly. (of course there are many other variables at play when people make decisions but that is up to them)
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15-11-2019, 08:06 AM
#119
Originally Posted by Joshuatree
Im speaking for a majority. Long time coming and about time. Nobody but nobody has the right to force someone to suffer. We all want a good death.Also was disgusted at some people pretending they had valid reasons against when they were actually only religious ones, no compassion there.
And there is the voice of bigotry.
"Pretending"? Protecting the vulnerable is the height of compassion. Ignoring a persons secular arguments because they also happen to be religious? Bigotry, pure and simple.
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15-11-2019, 10:16 AM
#120
To vote, protest or rally against something, demanding your belief (secular or not) upon others when the outcome does not effect you is the epitome of bigotry.
Last edited by t.rexjr; 15-11-2019 at 10:26 AM.
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