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    Quote Originally Posted by Logen Ninefingers View Post
    Labour have been us well on the road to 3rd world status, but the solution is not to turn to the CCP.
    Luxon has been painted into a corner by a Labour government keen to see him swallow as many dead rats as possible. The latest colossal dead rat is a $4.4 billion pay settlement for teachers. The PREFU will be interesting, will show how our finances are falling into a sinkhole while Labour continues to ramp up spending.
    Willis said this morning that teachers can expect similar pay outcomes from a National lead Government. As the Teachers association rep said, that's easy to say when you are in opposition.

    Pity that NACT didn't stump up in their nine years in charge.

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    Ardern.. Microsoft and Amazon come to NZ to set up data centres based on clean power.

    Luxon.. China build for us a road using asphalt technology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daytr View Post
    Willis said this morning that teachers can expect similar pay outcomes from a National lead Government. As the Teachers association rep said, that's easy to say when you are in opposition.

    Pity that NACT didn't stump up in their nine years in charge.
    Labour in Opposition vs in government :

    100,000 Kiwibuild homes (delivered less than 2,000 in govt)

    Light Rail in Auckland to start within 1st term (tens of millions spent with not a single track laid)

    No families to have to live in cars (380% increase)

    Housing crisis to be solved (300% increase in state waiting list)

    etc etc etc etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    What’s wrong with using China funding for much needed infrastructure upgrade in NZ?

    Unbelievably short sighted, everything's wrong with it.

    Just some countries experiences of China's funding infrastructure projects,
    Rapid increase in Public Debt, lack of transparency & corruption, little care paid to environmental issues, use of poor quality materials resulting in infrastructure projects going awry & failing, countries saddled with staggeringly high interest rates, loans restructured with further loans resulting in debt cycles, loss of sovereignty, the list goes on.


    If we would be so gullible you can't blame China for exploiting our stupidity.

    Here's some worthwhile reading, also the section on related topic.

    https://central.asia-news.com/en_GB/.../17/feature-01
    Last edited by Blue Skies; 03-08-2023 at 10:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Skies View Post
    Unbelievably short sighted, everything's wrong with it.

    Just some countries experiences of China's funding infrastructure projects,
    Rapid increase in Public Debt, lack of transparency & corruption, little care paid to environmental issues, use of poor quality materials resulting in infrastructure projects going awry & failing, countries saddled with staggeringly high interest rates, loans restructured with further loans resulting in debt cycles, loss of sovereignty, the list goes on.


    If we would be so gullible you can't blame China for exploiting our stupidity.

    Here's some worthwhile reading, also the section on related topic.

    https://central.asia-news.com/en_GB/.../17/feature-01
    Swallowing the American/Trump narrative whole?

    How about viewing this for some perspective :

    The Myth Of The Chinese Debt Trap In Africa - Bloomberg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-QD...ature=youtu.be

    Open your eyes, read more and try to be objective - you will find a different world out there from the one-sided & one-eyed narrative about what's really happening in the world.

    I was in Laos this year and after decades of being abandoned and ignored by the West (including Japan), it was actually uplifting to talk to the locals about how the last 5 years have seen the country boomed on the back of infrastructure funding by China - high speed rail link in the country all the way to China and soon, to Thailand and concrete (yes, concrete not tarred) roads opening up the country for development and progress.

    The West prefers 3rd world countries & developing countries to continue to be backward so that they can be exploited to maintain the debt funded their living standards (especially US - 5% of the world's population using 20% of the world's goods and services).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post

    The West prefers 3rd world countries & developing countries to continue to be backward so that they can be exploited to maintain the debt funded their living standards (especially US - 5% of the world's population using 20% of the world's goods and services).
    China obviously want nothing in return, they are upstanding world citizens.

    That's why they have no international alliances except for Russia, pakistan and north korea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda-NZ- View Post
    Ardern.. Microsoft and Amazon come to NZ to set up data centres based on clean power.

    Luxon.. China build for us a road using asphalt technology.
    What "technology" do you want used for our roads, if we ever build any ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daytr View Post
    Willis said this morning that teachers can expect similar pay outcomes from a National lead Government. As the Teachers association rep said, that's easy to say when you are in opposition.

    Pity that NACT didn't stump up in their nine years in charge.
    As far as I know they said they would give pay rises in line with inflation. Not pay rises in excess of 14%.
    So you think teachers should have been getting huge pay rises at a time when inflation was out for the count and lying flat on the canvas? No-one in the private sector was. Your narratives fall apart under close scrutiny.

    We are on track to become the next Greece: public sector pay rises going through the roof while out on the private sector unemployment is on the rise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    What "technology" do you want used for our roads, if we ever build any ?
    It's a pun intended to show National's lack of ideas and technical capability.

    There's plenty of time to pour over the alternatives if they get in since we won't be focused on much else.

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    The quality of Chinese roads is awesome. I worked in Bejing for a period (admittedly a few years ago) and noted how quality the roads were.

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