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 Originally Posted by Joshuatree
No not when some one is terminal and their pain cant be managed for example, no place at all.
It's very rare that pain can't be managed in this day and age and I've seen a lot of people with terminal illness die over the last 30 yrs.
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Originally Posted by couta1
It's very rare that pain can't be managed in this day and age and I've seen a lot of people with terminal illness die over the last 30 yrs.
It does happen though, but perhaps less so than in the past. Husband of a close work colleague (next desk) died in his 50s a few years back and was one of those few with pain that could not be well managed. A huge amount of effort went into managing but not very successful. Just terrible. Ok, sample of one, but terrible for all concerned. For weeks, fortunately not months.
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Originally Posted by couta1
It's very rare that pain can't be managed in this day and age and I've seen a lot of people with terminal illness die over the last 30 yrs.
When the "pain management" turns the patient into a stoned zombie they have no quality of life. Better to let them take an overdose of "pain management" if that is their wish.
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Originally Posted by Joshuatree
No not when some one is terminal and their pain cant be managed for example, no place at all.
Totally disagree. The amount of "suffering" or "discomfort" does not even come into it.
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To vote, protest or rally against something, demanding your belief (secular or not) upon others when the outcome does not effect you is the epitome of bigotry.
Last edited by t.rexjr; 15-11-2019 at 10:26 AM.
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Originally Posted by t.rexjr
To vote, protest or rally against something, demanding your belief (secular or not) upon others when the outcome does not effect you is the epitome of bigotry.
You have a strange definition of bigot. I stand by my comment.
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Getting his highly controversial Bill through third reading is a significant achievement for a single MP. Mr Seymour deserves credit for that.
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Loved his rebuttal today in Parliament - ‘It’s alright, Grandpa’ to Winston 🤣
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12337324
Last edited by Balance; 04-06-2020 at 06:32 PM.
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ACT Party candidate Nicole McKee believes New Zealand's laws should be rooted in policies that recognise the democratic rights to think, speak and behave in a legal and unobstructed way, which sounds fair.
But only for some people because she wants “electronic income management” for some beneficiaries. Instead of getting welfare payments in cash, these beneficiaries would get an electronic card that can’t be used to buy alcohol, tobacco or casino chips. So some people will be restricted in how they can spend their money. No freedom for them, according to ACT.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...overnment.html
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/acts-seym...nger-man-alone
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Originally Posted by moka
ACT Party candidate Nicole McKee believes New Zealand's laws should be rooted in policies that recognise the democratic rights to think, speak and behave in a legal and unobstructed way, which sounds fair.
But only for some people because she wants “electronic income management” for some beneficiaries. Instead of getting welfare payments in cash, these beneficiaries would get an electronic card that can’t be used to buy alcohol, tobacco or casino chips. So some people will be restricted in how they can spend their money. No freedom for them, according to ACT.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...overnment.html
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/acts-seym...nger-man-alone
100% agree with that approach.
Better than the bleeding heart 'be kind' and breed as many beneficiaries as possible as possible Labour & Greens approach.
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