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    Quote Originally Posted by peat View Post
    The Winebox Inquiry was a big deal Balance , and did cause law change that was important to retain NZ's tax base.
    If no one was found guilty of specific crimes then at least it created more awareness of the plundering being done by the baron robbers Fay Richwhite.

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    I count upon my acquaintances the late Warren Berryman & Jenny McManus of The Independent who were involved in and reported extensively on the wine box inquiry. So I am certainly very aware of the inquiry and how it related to what Fay Richwhite was up to.

    And I am very keen to know what law change was made as a consequence of the inquiry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    And I am very keen to know what law change was made as a consequence of the inquiry?
    I referred to Gaynor from the article I linked

    "... as the New Zealand Government took steps to close tax loopholes.
    These tax law changes had a negative impact on EPI's profitability and share price. "

    But I don't mean to defend Winnie, the dude is an a$$ hat I reckon. I have a begrudging respect for his tenacity but not his style. Anything he did to expose Fay and Richwhite is a good thing by me though.
    For clarity, nothing I say is advice....

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    Quote Originally Posted by peat View Post
    I referred to Gaynor from the article I linked

    "... as the New Zealand Government took steps to close tax loopholes.
    These tax law changes had a negative impact on EPI's profitability and share price. "

    But I don't mean to defend Winnie, the dude is an a$$ hat I reckon. I have a begrudging respect for his tenacity but not his style. Anything he did to expose Fay and Richwhite is a good thing by me though.
    I am with you re Fay Richwhite - they needed to be exposed and to the extent that Winston did so, one must be thankful to him for that.

    However, the tax law changes referred to in the article happened in 1987 - well before the Wine Box inquiry (1994 -1997) so to credit the inquiry with tax changes is simply wrong.

    Anyway, I think Percy has realized his error so let's leave it at that.

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    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12351738

    "Earlier today, Peters said New Zealand could no longer trust that Hong Kong's criminal justice system was independent from China.

    Announcing the move today, Peters said that China's passage of its new national security legislation had eroded rule-of-law principles, undermined the "one country, two systems" framework that underpins Hong Kong's unique status, and gone against commitments China made to the international community."


    On one hand, I do believe NZ gov't does need a Winston Peters - just to keep the playing field level. As much as so many liberals hate him, it is welcoming that he has the same common sense as other leaders around the world and would stand hand in hand vs doing nothing.

    It's Winny's personality of being overly vocal and forward is something we should embrace more in gov't. There's too much cushion sitting by gov't MPs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SBQ View Post
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    "Earlier today, Peters said New Zealand could no longer trust that Hong Kong's criminal justice system was independent from China.

    Announcing the move today, Peters said that China's passage of its new national security legislation had eroded rule-of-law principles, undermined the "one country, two systems" framework that underpins Hong Kong's unique status, and gone against commitments China made to the international community."


    On one hand, I do believe NZ gov't does need a Winston Peters - just to keep the playing field level. As much as so many liberals hate him, it is welcoming that he has the same common sense as other leaders around the world and would stand hand in hand vs doing nothing.

    It's Winny's personality of being overly vocal and forward is something we should embrace more in gov't. There's too much cushion sitting by gov't MPs.
    I agree and that is why he gets my vote. In a clearly messy, imperfect political world he provides some checks and balances, not all, but more than most offer in that place.

    Personally National are a complete shambles at the moment.

    I cant understand anyone who is die hard blue or red! Both are very disappointing to say the least.
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    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12352323

    Total waste of space - Winston Owen Glenn Peters.


    “Last week the Green's co-leader, James Shaw, gave us an insight into the way Peters "works" in the Beehive.

    He lets governing partners do a great deal of serious policy development and waits until a decision is about to be announced - or even has been announced - before he blocks it.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
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    Total waste of space - Winston Owen Glenn Peters.
    No point in posting the link to an article which I presume very few of us can access, when you could just copy and paste the script.
    Then again, is there anyone who doesn't already know Peters is a waste of space? No? Thought not!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raz View Post
    I agree and that is why he gets my vote. In a clearly messy, imperfect political world he provides some checks and balances, not all, but more than most offer in that place.

    Personally National are a complete shambles at the moment.

    I cant understand anyone who is die hard blue or red! Both are very disappointing to say the least.
    Your post is a breath of fresh air .

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    Quote Originally Posted by percy View Post
    Your post is a breath of fresh air .
    Like the decaying odour from the wine box?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    Like the decaying odour from the wine box?
    Or a deflating tyre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    No point in posting the link to an article which I presume very few of us can access, when you could just copy and paste the script.
    Then again, is there anyone who doesn't already know Peters is a waste of space? No? Thought not!
    One gets banned here for copy and paste the whole script! Which is fair enough so I posted what I thought was the most pertinent bit from the article as to why he is such a spectacular waste of space.

    More excerpt : "Whether it's raising silly points of order in the House or pretending to be prickly at questions from the media – or exploiting MMP - it's all just a game to him. It always has been. I was in the press gallery when he was a young MP specialising in muckraking.

    Somebody would give him a hint of a scandal - real or imagined - and he would make the most of it, issuing tantalising accusations and always pretending to know much more than he did. It was frustrating to report him because there was a complete disconnect between the seriousness of his words and the smirk on his face.

    His resentment of the leak of his pension overpayments is particularly rich considering how important the subject of superannuation has been to him and what he would have done with that leak against anybody else.

    I also think that as a voter I had a right to know about it, even if it was attributable to inattention. Paperwork again.

    It's not surprising he treats his own party and coalition partners with the same disdain he has for voters at elections, refusing to indicate his intentions until they have wasted their time.

    Parliamentarians are given the title "Honorable". I believe Peters doesn't know what that means."

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    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/n...10&&ref=topbox

    Cartoons: Week of July 27 - August 2
    The last one features Winston.

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    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...s-losing-faith
    Winston Peters' manners deteriorate as poll suggests voters losing faith.
    Ordered to pay nearly $320,000 in costs after failing to win a privacy case over the leaking of details of his superannuation payment, and with his party trailing in the polls, even more than usual Winston has been lashing out at all around him.
    When the Colmar Brunton poll results came out, showing Winston was the least trusted party leader, the evidence was there that his Blitzkrieg style of politics no longer appeals to an electorate desperately looking for positive change and a new vision for an uncertain future.
    The latest polls suggest that voters have grown tired of the game, finding it as sad as hell, and they’re not going to take it any more.

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    That's Winston's style and he will never change. Thankfully the world appears to be changing around him!

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    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12354862

    Shane Jones a distant third in Northland electorate.

    So it’s time for getting ready to wave bye bye, slush fund or PGF.

    Congratulations to Northland electorates for being matured enough to see through the vote buying via the slush fund.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moka View Post
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...s-losing-faith
    Winston Peters' manners deteriorate as poll suggests voters losing faith.
    Ordered to pay nearly $320,000 in costs after failing to win a privacy case over the leaking of details of his superannuation payment, and with his party trailing in the polls, even more than usual Winston has been lashing out at all around him.
    When the Colmar Brunton poll results came out, showing Winston was the least trusted party leader, the evidence was there that his Blitzkrieg style of politics no longer appeals to an electorate desperately looking for positive change and a new vision for an uncertain future.
    The latest polls suggest that voters have grown tired of the game, finding it as sad as hell, and they’re not going to take it any more.
    The media would stop going on about him at all, let alone negatively, if he was not a perceived threat...and please tell me..."electorate desperately looking for positive change and a new vision for an uncertain future" who in the parties is actually offering any of that ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raz View Post
    The media would stop going on about him at all, let alone negatively, if he was not a perceived threat...and please tell me..."electorate desperately looking for positive change and a new vision for an uncertain future" who in the parties is actually offering any of that ?
    Of course they will go on about him, as they would any politician who has managed to last so long, and even built his own party from scratch. He's certainly carved himself a place in the history books, and no news outlet will ignore that. The reason most of it is negative should be obvious. He is hardly a threat, given he is almost certain to have reached the end of his political life, come September.

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