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    Bridges ringing Slater! Its like he secretly wants to be rolled!. Keep digging simon.

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    Dirty Politics, 2018: Nicky Hager assesses the Jami-Lee Ross saga

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    Nicky Hagar suggesting there may be a concerted effort to roll Bridges going on. If so who else would be behind it? Obvious person is Judith Collins and she has the history and dirty friends to do it. She may have the lust but has a few big holes in her personality/ credibility about what is acceptable and what is not.

    What about someone like Mark Mitchell the stone face assassin? He put his name up, fishing for support for the leadership then withdrew it . I think he used Lusk to eliminate other candidates for the electorate he won.

    He came out before his leader saying he was strongly opposed to using the Waka jumping bill to dump Jamie L Ross. And Bennett, a dangerous deceptive, scheming tactician behind the scenes as can be heard in the latest tape released.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    Nicky Hagar suggesting there may be a concerted effort to roll Bridges going on. If so who else would be behind it? Obvious person is Judith Collins and she has the history and dirty friends to do it. She may have the lust but has a few big holes in her personality/ credibility about what is acceptable and what is not.

    What about someone like Mark Mitchell the stone face assassin? He put his name up, fishing for support for the leadership then withdrew it . I think he used Lusk to eliminate other candidates for the electorate he won.

    He came out before his leader saying he was strongly opposed to using the Waka jumping bill to dump Jamie L Ross. And Bennett, a dangerous deceptive, scheming tactician behind the scenes as can be heard in the latest tape released.
    You should think of writing books. There is always a market for good fiction.

    In my opinion you have Slater using a sick person for his own agenda.

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    Would be a boring world with only one's own opinion in it. You read books?

    Yes im thinking Slater / Lusk etc may be using Jamie L R who is paying him/them,but maybe as a smokescreen for other payer/players , now involved, opportunity knocks , for MP's who are playing a deeper, longer game, to become leader for example. this is what maybe Nicky Hagar is alluding to .

    And remember Slater etc are mercenaries and they need to be paid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    Would be a boring world with only one's own opinion in it. You read books?

    Yes im thinking Slater / Lusk etc may be using Jamie L R who is paying him/them,but maybe as a smokescreen for other payer/players , now involved, opportunity knocks , for MP's who are playing a deeper, longer game, to become leader for example. this is what maybe Nicky Hagar is alluding to .

    And remember Slater etc are mercenaries and they need to be paid.
    It really isnt news that Bridges is not highly regarded. He was selected because National need a fresh "young" face to counter the Adern affect. Wouldn't have been my choice - I would have put collins in as an attack dog for a couple of years and then bought Bridges (or another) in to front the election campaign.

    It would be truly odious if Slater or Lusk were using JLR - he is obviously an ill man. No-one should be exploiting him during such a time.

    ( As for the latest tape release - I reckon Bridges and Bennet were doing a pretty good job trying to let a man move along with some dignity. Unfortunately, given the fact the conversation was being subversively recorded JLR was too far gone for that.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    That will upset the proportionality of Parliament. Expect to see Waka Jumping invoked in no time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    That will upset the proportionality of Parliament. Expect to see Waka Jumping invoked in no time.
    Taking JLR aboard would be a bit hypocritical for Winnie, wouldn't it!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    That will upset the proportionality of Parliament. Expect to see Waka Jumping invoked in no time.
    No it won;t as Winnie says he will vote this particular vote with National. What a farce.

    Yes you are right FP about Winnie. There is no limit to his hypocrisy and double standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    No it won;t as Winnie says he will vote this particular vote with National. What a farce.
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    Voting the same way that national does is not the same as a National vote. It is simply against (presumably) a piece of legislation. Same as when NZ First vote "for " a piece of Labour legislation - thats not a labour vote. Its a For vote.

    Proportionality is about having the same number of National votes recognised. Not the same number of for / against votes.

    What happens in a conscience vote?

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    Yes thatís true mini but hard to argue it upsets the proportionality if the Botany vote is directed same way as other National votes. Of course this whole situation is a farce, now supported by Winston who has legislated to fire anyone in the same situation in his party. If JLR had any self respect or respect for the voters of Botany, which he obviously doesnít, he would resign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    Yes that’s true mini but hard to argue it upsets the proportionality if the Botany vote is directed same way as other National votes. .
    The NZ First line “ we will us ether vote to support National” is a total smoke screen.

    If we look at the proportionality of parliament National held 56/120 of the seats in parliament. NZ First had 9/120 and the greens 8/120.

    What it seems we now have is nationally holding 55/120ths’s and NZ first now having 10/120’ths. That is now a substantial proportional gap between them and the Greens who are still left holding their 8/120ths

    If we look at it another way 20,572 people voted for each National seat. So by loosing that seat that’s 20,572 people whose voices are now no longer being heard. It is trite to say their voices are still being heard – they did not vote for NZ First

    Contrast with NZ First. They are now speaking for 20,572 people who did not vote for them. In terms of proportions, this means there are 41,000 votes not being properly represented.

    Any doubts proportionality isn’t affected are removed after considering some of Winston Peters many views on National. For example he has said "National's behaviour since the election has only confirmed the good sense we had in choosing to go with Labour," "National is leaderless, it's moribund, it's vacuous, that it's got bitter and jealous. And it's a shell of its former self because it's been seduced by big money and marketing. Substance will always trump shallowness.”

    Look at it another way. National only need to convince 2 MP’s to cross the floor to get a hung parliament. They now need to convince three. That’s a 50% increase. That’s not proportional.

    It is a total nonsense to think that NZ First using JLR’s vote is anything that represents what the voters wanted.

    Lets put the proportionality right - JLR needs to stand down and let the 35,000 people who voted in Botany have their say on who represents them. 10% of them voted NZ First - that does not give them a right to an extra vote. The further appalling irony is that NZ First didnt even stand a candidate in Botany. Winston is being allowed one of the biggest piss takes in our recent parliamentary history!

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    As an aside. I've eaten rat. And it aint half bad.

    Time for Bridges to pick the biggest meatiest dead rat he can find and chomp heartily down on it, devouring the whole thing with gusto. Invoke waka jumping and bin JLR at the earliest possible opportunity and give the voters of Botany a chance to have proper representation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    As an aside. I've eaten rat. And it aint half bad.

    Time for Bridges to pick the biggest meatiest dead rat he can find and chomp heartily down on it, devouring the whole thing with gusto. Invoke waka jumping and bin JLR at the earliest possible opportunity and give the voters of Botany a chance to have proper representation.
    If National has concerns about the potential situations that could arise as you point out in your earlier post, then they have noone but themselves to blame as they were offered the proxy first and turned it down. A very silly thing to do.
    But given where this is now, I agree with you about using the Waka Jumping law to get rid of JLR from Parliament and let the voters of Botany decide who they want to represent them.

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    It does look like JLR and his guns for hire have outplayed bridgey to nowhere atp. What next, more deaths by a thousand cuts recordings released i guess.
    Curious what rat tastes like MM, pork/human?

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