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10-11-2019, 06:06 PM
#281
Originally Posted by GTM 3442
You're a National MP with big political ambitions.
You've put in the time and effort - stood in a safe Labour electorate, been rewarded with a marginal electorate, made a decent showing - maybe even won it, been rewarded with a safe National seat, you make it onto the party list, you get a shadow portfolio, you ask the patsy questions, you defend the indefensible, you swallow all the dead rats that come your way, you're an undersecretary, then a secretary, then a junior minister, then a senior minister, and then . . . .
The party helicopters in Don Brash. . . . or John Key. . . or Mister Luxon. . .
As a Senior Figure in the party, as a Senior Minister in the government - bang! wham! you've just hit the glass ceiling.
Your career path now ends at Deputy Prime Minister.
As they ask on TV - "How do you feel. . . "
If Luxon or anyone else proves popular it's hardly likely to affect morale; no more than Fred Bloggs if Fred stands and gets in. Should only those unlikely to be popular stand?
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10-11-2019, 09:05 PM
#282
Originally Posted by fungus pudding
If Luxon or anyone else proves popular it's hardly likely to affect morale; no more than Fred Bloggs if Fred stands and gets in. Should only those unlikely to be popular stand?
No, not at all. It's virtually nothing to do with popularity.
But it's similar to the creeping demoralization that you see in the Public Service, where it's increasingly rare for a CE to be someone who has had a career with a Department, knows the operational side, understands policy and strategy, and how to implement them.
Instead, time at one of the "policy agencies" is becoming increasingly important. So senior management spends time having things explained to them. And the operational people spend ever-increasing amounts of time bringing management up to speed.
Who with ambition is going to put in the years of donkey work if they know that the top job is going to be forever out of reach?
Welcome to celebrity politics. . .
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11-11-2019, 10:45 AM
#283
Originally Posted by GTM 3442
No, not at all. It's virtually nothing to do with popularity.
But it's similar to the creeping demoralization that you see in the Public Service, where it's increasingly rare for a CE to be someone who has had a career with a Department, knows the operational side, understands policy and strategy, and how to implement them.
Instead, time at one of the "policy agencies" is becoming increasingly important. So senior management spends time having things explained to them. And the operational people spend ever-increasing amounts of time bringing management up to speed.
Who with ambition is going to put in the years of donkey work if they know that the top job is going to be forever out of reach?
Welcome to celebrity politics. . .
I thought all he had done so far is stick his hand up in an electorate. Surely any Nat. party member is allowed to do that, or is that not how it works?
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11-11-2019, 11:09 AM
#284
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11-11-2019, 11:12 AM
#285
Originally Posted by Joshuatree
Wouldn’t want him as PM
”When investors are euphoric, they are incapable of recognising euphoria itself “
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11-11-2019, 04:32 PM
#286
Originally Posted by fungus pudding
I thought all he had done so far is stick his hand up in an electorate. Surely any Nat. party member is allowed to do that, or is that not how it works?
And there was me thinking that the donors were parachuting him into a safe seat so he was ready to be annointed as leader when Mister Bridges loses the 2020 or 2023 election.
Silly, silly me. . .
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11-11-2019, 05:02 PM
#287
Originally Posted by GTM 3442
And there was me thinking that the donors were parachuting him into a safe seat so he was ready to be annointed as leader when Mister Bridges loses the 2020 or 2023 election.
Silly, silly me. . .
I don't know the rules but I thought anyone could join the party and stand in the electorate for election as the candidate.
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11-11-2019, 06:10 PM
#288
Originally Posted by fungus pudding
I don't know the rules but I thought anyone could join the party and stand in the electorate for election as the candidate.
Of course they can fungus.
Crikey, the glittering careers of Messrs Gilmore, Barclay, and Ross should convince even the most doubting of sceptics. After all, every party needs lobby-fodder.
But when it's important. . .
Last edited by GTM 3442; 11-11-2019 at 06:11 PM.
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11-11-2019, 07:29 PM
#289
Originally Posted by GTM 3442
Of course they can fungus.
Crikey, the glittering careers of Messrs Gilmore, Barclay, and Ross should convince even the most doubting of sceptics.....
So what is the problem?
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11-11-2019, 08:26 PM
#290
Originally Posted by fungus pudding
So what is the problem?
Why would candidate quality and caucus morale not be important?
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