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    Quote Originally Posted by tim23 View Post
    Now that comment is even weirder than some of your other weird posts - an insult to all NZers?? - how many whiskeys had you consumed when you posted that?
    Last poll showed National at 25.1% and you (who believes employers who top up wage subsidies to their employees are beneficiaries) were adamant the poll was not rogue, remember?

    Just relax, tim23 - you are losing your grip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    Last poll showed National at 25.1% and you (who believes employers who top up wage subsidies to their employees are beneficiaries) were adamant the poll was not rogue, remember?

    Just relax, tim23 - you are losing your grip.
    Oh dear - you poor individual - Labour on 53% its all over for your beloved Nats and yes COVID created a whole new band of beneficiaries including employers and that just proves my point - when a crisis comes anyone can become dependent on the state and thats okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim23 View Post
    Oh dear - you poor individual - Labour on 53% its all over for your beloved Nats and yes COVID created a whole new band of beneficiaries including employers and that just proves my point - when a crisis comes anyone can become dependent on the state and thats okay.
    And there you have it - tim23 as demented as that circus clown in the White House.

    Employers putting their own funds to top up wage subsidies = taxpayers and definitely not beneficiaries being bred by Comrade Cindy as tim23 believes.

    Guess why the Warehouse gave Comrade Cindy & her incompetents the middle finger salute by refusing to play further her ‘wage subsidy delaying the inevitable’ game and is in the process of laying hundreds off?
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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    "Rainy day" access has been allowed for many years now, under the financial hardship rules or terminal illness rules.
    It depends on your definition of "rainy day." The hardship criteria is very strict, and rightly so.
    Bjauck was saying if you can withdraw money to get a house deposit, why shouldn't they be able to withdraw their kiwisaver money early to get money for a tenancy bond, to buy investments or a business just as those who want to buy a home can? I think it should be strict and a tenancy bond is not a good reason.

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    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12352128
    The real reason for rogue MPs. The problem of the rogue MPs is not a problem of the inherent dissolution of youth.
    I don't think the problem is age or gender. It's bullies.

    Remember the list? Hamish Walker MP, resigned for misusing private patient information and keeping quiet about it.
    Todd Barclay MP, resigned for allegedly bullying his electorate secretary and other staff.
    Jami-Lee Ross MP, still in Parliament but resigned from his party amid claims he bullied his staff and another MP. Ross is also before the High Court charged with electoral fraud.
    A little earlier, Aaron Gilmore MP, resigned after claims he bullied restaurant staff. And most recently, Iain Lees-Galloway MP, resigned as a minister for supposedly misusing the power of his office. Andrew Falloon MP, his alleged sins outlined above.

    BULLIES COME in all shapes and sizes. They don't become powerful because they somehow slip past the screening system. They're not aberrations. They are what the system is designed to find. They are the system.
    It's true in Parliament; especially, it seems, but by no means exclusively, in the National Party. But not only there. It's true in business, in sports, in cultural organisations and everywhere else too.

    Bullies. With their cocky confidence and their determination to get their own way. With their low capacity for compassion, their lack of respect for people they think are inferior to them, and that's most of us but particularly women, people of colour, the poor and the vulnerable.
    Bullying is what senior MPs who are themselves bullies encourage in their junior colleagues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim23 View Post
    Oh dear - you poor individual - Labour on 53% its all over for your beloved Nats and yes COVID created a whole new band of beneficiaries including employers and that just proves my point - when a crisis comes anyone can become dependent on the state and thats okay.
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    And there you have it - tim23 as demented as that circus clown in the White House.

    Employers putting their own funds to top up wage subsidies = taxpayers and definitely not beneficiaries being bred by Comrade Cindy as tim23 believes.

    Guess why the Warehouse gave Comrade Cindy & her incompetents the middle finger salute by refusing to play further her ‘wage subsidy delaying the inevitable’ game and is in the process of laying hundreds off?
    Any chance we could go back to kicking the ball instead of the player? Frankly - the tone of these posts is disgusting ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by moka View Post
    It depends on your definition of "rainy day." The hardship criteria is very strict, and rightly so.
    Bjauck was saying if you can withdraw money to get a house deposit, why shouldn't they be able to withdraw their kiwisaver money early to get money for a tenancy bond, to buy investments or a business just as those who want to buy a home can? I think it should be strict and a tenancy bond is not a good reason.
    I agree moka. In fact my preference would be for no withdrawal before 65 whatsoever except for the terminally ill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moka View Post
    ..I think it should be strict and a tenancy bond is not a good reason.
    It is very good reason if that would be the only way to move your family into a home. Not everyone would be able to afford home ownership even with Kiwisaver contributing to a deposit.

    Anyway I think Kiwisaver should not be accessed early unless there is terminal illness.

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    Dont feed the troll its like putting out fire with gasoline.This behaviour has been going on for years, This troll craves attention (fuel) and will stop at nothing to get its feed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjauck View Post
    It is very good reason if that would be the only way to move your family into a home. Not everyone would be able to afford home ownership even with Kiwisaver contributing to a deposit.
    Anyway I think Kiwisaver should not be accessed early unless there is terminal illness.
    There are varieties of welfare available to help people pay ingoing for a rental. Not necessary to be on a benefit. Loans, grants, TAS. Possibly Sustaining Tenancies initiative that is designed to support tenants to stay in their rental if they are in danger of being given notice to terminate.

    Have to say, though, that the prospective landlord will know soon enough if they can't pay the initial requirement. Either because s/he will be asked to supply information to MSD or because the money doesn't turn up so the contract is cancelled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artemis View Post
    There are varieties of welfare available to help people pay ingoing for a rental. Not necessary to be on a benefit. Loans, grants, TAS. Possibly Sustaining Tenancies initiative that is designed to support tenants to stay in their rental if they are in danger of being given notice to terminate.
    If you are on a benefit or the minimum wage it probably won’t cover your living expenses, let alone having any money left over to save for a rainy day, or a bond.

    https://www.workandincome.govt.nz/housing/move-house/bond-and-rent-in-advance/bond-grant.html#null
    Bond grant. If you're moving into a private rental and don’t have enough money to pay bond, we may be able to help.
    We can pay up to the lesser amount of either:
    4 weeks of rent, or
    $2,000.
    You don’t have to pay this money back.
    You can only get one bond grant over 12 months.
    If your application’s approved, we’ll pay the bond directly to the landlord.

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    https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/1222...democracy?rm=a
    National's identity crisis is bad for NZ's democracy.

    Labour’s brand is that of a party that essentially is prepared to spend more on the less well-off in society. The leader represents the brand and in Ardern Labour has hit the jackpot. She is competent and compassionate.


    But what does National stand for? We know it’s a conservative party. Conservatism is about putting a brake on radical change and scepticism about any grand ideas to alter human nature. It represents (over others) the doers and producers – farmers, business, the self-employed, property owners, professionals – who rely on clarity, order, prudent spending and efficiency in government.

    Because it believes it represents substantial people, National presents itself as the natural party of government. It sells itself as the best team to be running the country, better than the other lot anyway. But the party is failing on all counts. The team it suggests should be running the country looks decidedly clueless and splintered.

    National has been caught out by a shift in public thinking or attitude. The country has joined the world in a shift towards the Left’s view on race, equality and the wrongs of the past. It may not be much of a shift but there is no going back.

    Although National promotes itself as the party of growth, growth has also lost a lot of its magic. Growth at what cost, comes the cry.

    Like most parties, it is in favour of everything that is good and against everything that is bad. Labour would have no argument with a single one of its listed values except maybe with limited government. And limited government doesn’t look particularly pertinent at the moment. The pandemic has called for the sort of government intervention in the economy and elsewhere that the country hasn’t seen for generations.
    Governments around the world are spending like crazy to prevent their economies from falling into depression and keep people employed. National can hardly go to the people saying it will rein in government spending and activity because that offends its founding values.
    Restating National’s reason for existence is no easy task.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moka View Post
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/1222...democracy?rm=a
    National's identity crisis is bad for NZ's democracy.

    Labour’s brand is that of a party that essentially is prepared to spend more on the less well-off in society. The leader represents the brand and in Ardern Labour has hit the jackpot. She is competent and compassionate.


    But what does National stand for? We know it’s a conservative party. Conservatism is about putting a brake on radical change and scepticism about any grand ideas to alter human nature. It represents (over others) the doers and producers – farmers, business, the self-employed, property owners, professionals – who rely on clarity, order, prudent spending and efficiency in government.

    Because it believes it represents substantial people, National presents itself as the natural party of government. It sells itself as the best team to be running the country, better than the other lot anyway. But the party is failing on all counts. The team it suggests should be running the country looks decidedly clueless and splintered.

    National has been caught out by a shift in public thinking or attitude. The country has joined the world in a shift towards the Left’s view on race, equality and the wrongs of the past. It may not be much of a shift but there is no going back.

    Although National promotes itself as the party of growth, growth has also lost a lot of its magic. Growth at what cost, comes the cry.

    Like most parties, it is in favour of everything that is good and against everything that is bad. Labour would have no argument with a single one of its listed values except maybe with limited government. And limited government doesn’t look particularly pertinent at the moment. The pandemic has called for the sort of government intervention in the economy and elsewhere that the country hasn’t seen for generations.
    Governments around the world are spending like crazy to prevent their economies from falling into depression and keep people employed. National can hardly go to the people saying it will rein in government spending and activity because that offends its founding values.
    Restating National’s reason for existence is no easy task.
    You make some good points I must admit, but believe you have missed some glaring omissions also.
    Like how are we going to finance this spend up.
    This govt is big on throwing money about and given the circumstances some of these actions are justified but I don't think they have two clues on what drives an economy or how to manage it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ynot View Post
    You make some good points I must admit, but believe you have missed some glaring omissions also.
    Like how are we going to finance this spend up.
    This govt is big on throwing money about and given the circumstances some of these actions are justified but I don't think they have two clues on what drives an economy or how to manage it.
    That's exactly what the Left's (& moka's) utopia consist of. As he says the World has moved to the Left. It has moved to Governments spending incomprehensible amounts of money that it has not spent one hour on considering how it should pay back. This is the "new World" of living in an illusion of economic reality..
    With current projected NZ Government forecasts of around $140B of extra debt, or an estimated $ 80,000 per household, the illusion this is somehow a wealth transfer from the "haves" to "have nots" is absolutely nuts as it will not be the much maligned "baby boomers" that pay for this squander. Instead it will be the next couple of generations that will be burdened with it in the form of hugely increased taxes and reduced Government services.
    That's the sad reality of this madness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    That's exactly what the Left's (& moka's) utopia consist of. As he says the World has moved to the Left. It has moved to Governments spending incomprehensible amounts of money that it has not spent one hour on considering how it should pay back. This is the "new World" of living in an illusion of economic reality..
    With current projected NZ Government forecasts of around $140B of extra debt, or an estimated $ 80,000 per household, the illusion this is somehow a wealth transfer from the "haves" to "have nots" is absolutely nuts as it will not be the much maligned "baby boomers" that pay for this squander. Instead it will be the next couple of generations that will be burdened with it in the form of hugely increased taxes and reduced Government services.
    That's the sad reality of this madness.
    So the answer is somewhere in the middle.
    National seems to be losing their more liberal MPs so heading further away from the middle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dobby41 View Post
    So the answer is somewhere in the middle.
    National seems to be losing their more liberal MPs so heading further away from the middle.
    Agree that the answer, as always, is somewhere in the middle. The road NZ normally travels down.

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    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12353188

    This passes for election coverage by NZ media of issues pertinent to NZers making the right decision as to who to vote?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12353188

    This passes for election coverage by NZ media of issues pertinent to NZers making the right decision as to who to vote?
    Well, in the context of all the inept and disgraced MP's National did select over the last handful of years (like e.g. Ross, Walker, & Falloon) and considering that some of the older hands of National seem to have been similarly flawed (Boag anyone) without the party being able to cleanse the filth, does this article not inspire any confidence in the robustness and integrity of Nationals candidate selection process.

    It feels like a party which was too long in power and unfortunately they did not use the last three years in opposition to improve - quite the opposite. They used this time to get rid of the better candidates they still had.

    I think it would be good they get some more years on the opposition benches to give them a chance to sort out their processes and get rid of all the filth. I hope they use this time - NZ does need and deserve a capable opposition with high integrity!

    Discl: Voted in the past more often for National (or ACT) than for any other party while living in NZ. However - unlikely to follow this pattern this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPeter View Post
    Well, in the context of all the inept and disgraced MP's National did select over the last handful of years (like e.g. Ross, Walker, & Falloon) and considering that some of the older hands of National seem to have been similarly flawed (Boag anyone) without the party being able to cleanse the filth, does this article not inspire any confidence in the robustness and integrity of Nationals candidate selection process.

    It feels like a party which was too long in power and unfortunately they did not use the last three years in opposition to improve - quite the opposite. They used this time to get rid of the better candidates they still had.

    I think it would be good they get some more years on the opposition benches to give them a chance to sort out their processes and get rid of all the filth. I hope they use this time - NZ does need and deserve a capable opposition with high integrity!

    Discl: Voted in the past more often for National (or ACT) than for any other party while living in NZ. However - unlikely to follow this pattern this time.


    Labour's problem is beyond Ardern, Robertson and a couple of others there is simply no talent. It's pretty obvious when you see the likes of Twyfod, and Davis way up in their ranks what their problem is. I don't like their coalition mates either. And I hate to think what tax schemes they're dreaming up. Death duties? Gift duties? Or a brand new surprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    Labour's problem is beyond Ardern, Robertson and a couple of others there is simply no talent. It's pretty obvious when you see the likes of Twyfod, and Davis way up in their ranks what their problem is. I don't like their coalition mates either. And I hate to think what tax schemes they're dreaming up. Death duties? Gift duties? Or a brand new surprise.
    Property tax & estate duties to start with - envy taxes so that they can breed more beneficiaries and for longer.

    Notice how Comrade Cindy & her team of incompetents duck & dive & deflect to the need to manage the pandemic whenever they are asked about taxes?
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