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    Is it worse than doing nothing like Ardern?

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    I voted ACT at the last election because I have been appalled at National putting Soimon Brudges up as a serious leader (what the heck were all those people in causus thinking?) and then the move to corporate-speak numpty Todd Muller - who seems to have been to-the-manor-born with obligatory short stints in top corporate roles before entering politics....before ending up with Judith Collins - who seems to be hated by her colleagues, although they are the same people who thought Brudges was a winner.

    What were Nicky Kaye and Amy Adams doing?? First Adams is out, then she's back in, then out again.....who are these self-serving chaotic people??

    I thought Collins was really, really poor in the debates. She should have hammered Adern non-stop about KiwiBuild, should have just ragged her about it constantly. First there would be 100,000 houses.....then a big 're-set'......and now - absolutely nothing!! Just a switch to state housing for homeless people.

    Another thing that annoyed me was 'yes it requires historic debt' in the TV ads as if it was a fait accompli. Nothing about the money printing whatsoever. Nothing about Robertsons out of control spending. She looked like a deer in the headlights.
    Yes, COVID had a lot of people swooning and going ga-ga over Jacinda. Yes, property speculators and greed have captured the political fortunes of the nation. But I don't think she said anything that resonated with anyone. It's not enough to look tough and go around saying you are the Crusher. You have to take a stand sometime.

    Seymour is the only one saying anything to people on the Right who may be worrying about where the country is headed and how it has been captured by the Central Bank, which is busily printing money to fuel a socialist MMT pipe-dream of a magic money tree. I am sure there are plenty of people on Right who can look past 'property market blindness' and wonder if constant loose monetary policy isn't setting us up for a very big fall.

    If Labour and National are only focussed on appealing to the terminally greedy and / or stupid, why should I vote for them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logen Ninefingers View Post
    I thought Collins was really, really poor in the debates. She should have hammered Adern non-stop about KiwiBuild, should have just ragged her about it constantly. First there would be 100,000 houses.....then a big 're-set'......and now - absolutely nothing!! Just a switch to state housing for homeless people.
    She did though, NZ voters just didn't buy it.
    We're part of an international community now (everyone is doing stimulus) and going against the grain will not serve us well.

    Act supported the asset sales during a recession.. now 6% of Meridian is owned by Blackrock and this is set to rise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda-NZ- View Post
    She did though, NZ voters just didn't buy it.
    We're part of an international community now (everyone is doing stimulus) and going against the grain will not serve us well.

    Act supported the asset sales during a recession.. now 6% of Meridian is owned by Blackrock and this is set to rise.
    It’s odd that you say that everyone is doing stimulus so we must do stimulus. So we myst cede our sovereignty to the US in this regard then(?) We are a vassal state and should be in lock-step with The Fed(?) In 2018 The Federal Reserve tried to start reducing its balance sheet (‘reverse QE’) and the US equity markets started going down. So they immediately had to reverse course. The problem with inflating asset bubbles is that you are then compelled to always keep them inflated. It is a clear trap. Is this the course we should be following? Going down a path from which there is no proven exit? Have we not learnt anything from the US experience?

    NZ once had a record of following its own course. We went nuclear free in the face of much opposition from the US and other close allies. This is an example of a nation prepared to think for itself. Have we now lost that ability?

    The suggestion you make - that we must do what others are doing - is just hopeless really. It’s like saying the other lemmings are jumping over the cliff, so we must do the same.

    Once you open Pandora’s box and start printing money, all accountability goes out the window. There are no longer any constraints on government spending. The government can pump unlimited money to its support base, thus ensuring it stays in power indefinitely. No need to levy unpopular taxes and risk being punished for it by the electorate. The whole thing is totally undemocratic, and then you have Jim Bolger saying we should just print money and write it off. So we’d have a situation ripe for corruption, where Bob struggles to earn a living trying to make his business succeed, and Jeff makes $500,000 a year as a public servant because the government has unlimited funds and the governing party is dishing out patronage.

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