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    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Munroe View Post
    I hope that the National Party is not implicated in the psychiatric detention of Jami-Lee Ross.

    It could lead to comparisons with the Brezhnev era Soviet Unions practice of using psychiatry to suppress dissidents.

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    Of course they wont be. JLR was in his electorate office. Someone called the authorities. It wasn't an ambulance so make of that what you will.

    The police were called rather than an ambulance - again make of that what you will) - which is perfectly usual in instances where someone has lost the plot. Police are trained to do this kind of thing. I've seen them in action and they are very good at this difficult trask.

    He was sectioned - which is also perfectly usual (and out of any political influence) when someone has so lost the plot and they are a danger to themselves or to others.

    Lusk and Slater will be the only ones walking scared of any implication.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    Of course they wont be. JLR was in his electorate office. Someone called the authorities. It wasn't an ambulance so make of that what you will.

    The police were called rather than an ambulance - again make of that what you will) - which is perfectly usual in instances where someone has lost the plot. Police are trained to do this kind of thing. I've seen them in action and they are very good at this difficult trask.

    He was sectioned - which is also perfectly usual (and out of any political influence) when someone has so lost the plot and they are a danger to themselves or to others.

    Lusk and Slater will be the only ones walking scared of any implication.
    Well I’m chair of a large mental health non profit, police are not particularly trained in this area and is why National set up a pilot program for the police to work with mental health specialist in this area, which was canned by labour a few months ago. In reality is it rather difficult to get someone sectioned off which makes this a rather curious case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raz View Post
    Well I’m chair of a large mental health non profit, police are not particularly trained in this area and is why National set up a pilot program for the police to work with mental health specialist in this area, which was canned by labour a few months ago. In reality is it rather difficult to get someone sectioned off which makes this a rather curious case.
    Good to hear from the reality coalface instead of the active imaginations. Thanks for sharing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raz View Post
    Well I’m chair of a large mental health non profit, police are not particularly trained in this area and is why National set up a pilot program for the police to work with mental health specialist in this area, which was canned by labour a few months ago. In reality is it rather difficult to get someone sectioned off which makes this a rather curious case.
    Not wanting to turn this into a pissing contest but I have been closely involved in 3 "sectioning's" in the past 12 months. These involved police, ambulance, hospital, mental health workers family and other odds and sods

    In each case each person, on the whole appeared quite rational. Communication and comprehension was fine. Body language was fine, conversation was fine. Thought processes were fine. As I say "on the whole" - but not 100%. There were clues. Like the attack helicopter with listening/ sonar devices on board that was following one person. His wife was in on it as well - sending secret messages from the back shed, Another had a friend on his back shoulder who turned ugly and threatened him, amongst other things. Plans to escape were enacted. The third attempted suicide - did a pretty good job but survived. A fourth did succeed - so obviously couldnt be sectioned.

    In each case the "professionals" acted with speed and professionalism. In each case the person was not able to make decisions for themselves and were a danger to themselves and/or others.

    I see nothing curious in JLR being sectioned.

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    Who was that someone who called the authorities, against his will? Why don't we know ,in the interests of transparency that there was no skullduggery involved. Or have i missed that piece of info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    Who was that someone who called the authorities, against his will? Why don't we know ,in the interests of transparency that there was no skullduggery involved. Or have i missed that piece of info.
    Doesn't matter who called the cops. He would not have been sectioned unless it was necessary for either his own protection or someone else's. It's a tricky business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    Not wanting to turn this into a pissing contest but I have been closely involved in 3 "sectioning's" in the past 12 months. These involved police, ambulance, hospital, mental health workers family and other odds and sods

    In each case each person, on the whole appeared quite rational. Communication and comprehension was fine. Body language was fine, conversation was fine. Thought processes were fine. As I say "on the whole" - but not 100%. There were clues. Like the attack helicopter with listening/ sonar devices on board that was following one person. His wife was in on it as well - sending secret messages from the back shed, Another had a friend on his back shoulder who turned ugly and threatened him, amongst other things. Plans to escape were enacted. The third attempted suicide - did a pretty good job but survived. A fourth did succeed - so obviously couldnt be sectioned.

    In each case the "professionals" acted with speed and professionalism. In each case the person was not able to make decisions for themselves and were a danger to themselves and/or others.

    I see nothing curious in JLR being sectioned.
    Obviously you are close to this area as well, I'm aware of many cases as well over the years however the sad reality is it is applied to such a small number of potentially worthy cases. Many people would have loved this opportunity for a family member yet could not get it over the line within the system.

    That is why it is curious and he seem to be discharged within five days which suggest it is not the whole story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    Who was that someone who called the authorities, against his will? Why don't we know ,in the interests of transparency that there was no skullduggery involved. Or have i missed that piece of info.
    It is irrelevant and would be of no use to you if this is your level of thinking. There is no skulduggery. It is a perfectly usual response and is with precedent.

    If you are looking for a conspiracy involving the police you only need to go back to the Police in announcing Clark Gayford was not the subject of any investigation. Now that is unprecedented.And did not answer all the questions swirling about at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raz View Post

    That is why it is curious and he seem to be discharged within five days which suggest it is not the whole story.
    Again that doesnt surprise me.

    If we were to drill down into the mental health cases I think that we would see a good service for those that pose a real and immediate threat to self or others. Of course this is a clinical decision. For those who rock up to a mental health provider they are probably providing evidence of enough rational thought (ie taking the initiative and going to hospital) to not meet the threshold in an under resourced health system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    Again that doesnt surprise me.

    If we were to drill down into the mental health cases I think that we would see a good service for those that pose a real and immediate threat to self or others. Of course this is a clinical decision. For those who rock up to a mental health provider they are probably providing evidence of enough rational thought (ie taking the initiative and going to hospital) to not meet the threshold in an under resourced health system.
    Now I call your BS, the data clearly shows a problem and if you have a clue you would know it requires a needs assessment and RGs referral to get anywhere near the system in the city you live.
    Last edited by Raz; 24-10-2018 at 10:31 AM.

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