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    Yes that’s true mini but hard to argue it upsets the proportionality if the Botany vote is directed same way as other National votes. Of course this whole situation is a farce, now supported by Winston who has legislated to fire anyone in the same situation in his party. If JLR had any self respect or respect for the voters of Botany, which he obviously doesn’t, he would resign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    Yes that’s true mini but hard to argue it upsets the proportionality if the Botany vote is directed same way as other National votes. .
    The NZ First line “ we will us ether vote to support National” is a total smoke screen.

    If we look at the proportionality of parliament National held 56/120 of the seats in parliament. NZ First had 9/120 and the greens 8/120.

    What it seems we now have is nationally holding 55/120ths’s and NZ first now having 10/120’ths. That is now a substantial proportional gap between them and the Greens who are still left holding their 8/120ths

    If we look at it another way 20,572 people voted for each National seat. So by loosing that seat that’s 20,572 people whose voices are now no longer being heard. It is trite to say their voices are still being heard – they did not vote for NZ First

    Contrast with NZ First. They are now speaking for 20,572 people who did not vote for them. In terms of proportions, this means there are 41,000 votes not being properly represented.

    Any doubts proportionality isn’t affected are removed after considering some of Winston Peters many views on National. For example he has said "National's behaviour since the election has only confirmed the good sense we had in choosing to go with Labour," "National is leaderless, it's moribund, it's vacuous, that it's got bitter and jealous. And it's a shell of its former self because it's been seduced by big money and marketing. Substance will always trump shallowness.”

    Look at it another way. National only need to convince 2 MP’s to cross the floor to get a hung parliament. They now need to convince three. That’s a 50% increase. That’s not proportional.

    It is a total nonsense to think that NZ First using JLR’s vote is anything that represents what the voters wanted.

    Lets put the proportionality right - JLR needs to stand down and let the 35,000 people who voted in Botany have their say on who represents them. 10% of them voted NZ First - that does not give them a right to an extra vote. The further appalling irony is that NZ First didnt even stand a candidate in Botany. Winston is being allowed one of the biggest piss takes in our recent parliamentary history!

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    As an aside. I've eaten rat. And it aint half bad.

    Time for Bridges to pick the biggest meatiest dead rat he can find and chomp heartily down on it, devouring the whole thing with gusto. Invoke waka jumping and bin JLR at the earliest possible opportunity and give the voters of Botany a chance to have proper representation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    As an aside. I've eaten rat. And it aint half bad.

    Time for Bridges to pick the biggest meatiest dead rat he can find and chomp heartily down on it, devouring the whole thing with gusto. Invoke waka jumping and bin JLR at the earliest possible opportunity and give the voters of Botany a chance to have proper representation.
    If National has concerns about the potential situations that could arise as you point out in your earlier post, then they have noone but themselves to blame as they were offered the proxy first and turned it down. A very silly thing to do.
    But given where this is now, I agree with you about using the Waka Jumping law to get rid of JLR from Parliament and let the voters of Botany decide who they want to represent them.

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    It does look like JLR and his guns for hire have outplayed bridgey to nowhere atp. What next, more deaths by a thousand cuts recordings released i guess.
    Curious what rat tastes like MM, pork/human?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    It does look like JLR and his guns for hire have outplayed bridgey to nowhere atp.
    All JLR's tapes show is that being in the care of processionals is his best option

    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    What next, more deaths by a thousand cuts recordings released i guess.
    if you mean death from boredom then you are probably on the mark. Lets face it. He's shot his load. The only thing he has to look forward to now is wondering when he is going to get bumped off the waka.
    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    Curious what rat tastes like MM, pork/human?
    I cant tell you if it tastes human. Maybe your forebears left a record of their experiences that you can refer to.

    Its not got any Bat Sh1T Crazy flavour, nor any Dirty Dog smell. Closest I can think of is Chicken

    (Adern will be desperately hoping JLR has something - she desperately needs the spotlight of attention shifted off her inept Ministers. Hipkins not looking too hot now with his tanty over the teachers strike))

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    No she won't, storm in a teacup.As for bridgey lets see what diversion attempt is next and what the next poll says.

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    How utterly pathetic. Secret recordings once again and baseless claims of bullying. They have been investigated and found to have no basis. Incredible how the World is becoming, anyone speaking forcefully is these days called a bully. People need to toughen up a little. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    How utterly pathetic. Secret recordings once again and baseless claims of bullying. They have been investigated and found to have no basis. Incredible how the World is becoming, anyone speaking forcefully is these days called a bully. People need to toughen up a little. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen
    Great call. Exactly nothing wrong with speaking forcefully. We have a generation of bubble wrapped millennial's that moan at the first instance of any adversity.

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