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 Originally Posted by GTM 3442
Oh dear! One imagines that that won't do much for morale in caucus.
?????? Why is that?
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Originally Posted by fungus pudding
?????? Why is that?
You're a National MP with big political ambitions.
You've put in the time and effort - stood in a safe Labour electorate, been rewarded with a marginal electorate, made a decent showing - maybe even won it, been rewarded with a safe National seat, you make it onto the party list, you get a shadow portfolio, you ask the patsy questions, you defend the indefensible, you swallow all the dead rats that come your way, you're an undersecretary, then a secretary, then a junior minister, then a senior minister, and then . . . .
The party helicopters in Don Brash. . . . or John Key. . . or Mister Luxon. . .
As a Senior Figure in the party, as a Senior Minister in the government - bang! wham! you've just hit the glass ceiling.
Your career path now ends at Deputy Prime Minister.
As they ask on TV - "How do you feel. . . "
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Originally Posted by GTM 3442
You're a National MP with big political ambitions.
You've put in the time and effort - stood in a safe Labour electorate, been rewarded with a marginal electorate, made a decent showing - maybe even won it, been rewarded with a safe National seat, you make it onto the party list, you get a shadow portfolio, you ask the patsy questions, you defend the indefensible, you swallow all the dead rats that come your way, you're an undersecretary, then a secretary, then a junior minister, then a senior minister, and then . . . .
The party helicopters in Don Brash. . . . or John Key. . . or Mister Luxon. . .
As a Senior Figure in the party, as a Senior Minister in the government - bang! wham! you've just hit the glass ceiling.
Your career path now ends at Deputy Prime Minister.
As they ask on TV - "How do you feel. . . "
If Luxon or anyone else proves popular it's hardly likely to affect morale; no more than Fred Bloggs if Fred stands and gets in. Should only those unlikely to be popular stand?
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Originally Posted by fungus pudding
If Luxon or anyone else proves popular it's hardly likely to affect morale; no more than Fred Bloggs if Fred stands and gets in. Should only those unlikely to be popular stand?
No, not at all. It's virtually nothing to do with popularity.
But it's similar to the creeping demoralization that you see in the Public Service, where it's increasingly rare for a CE to be someone who has had a career with a Department, knows the operational side, understands policy and strategy, and how to implement them.
Instead, time at one of the "policy agencies" is becoming increasingly important. So senior management spends time having things explained to them. And the operational people spend ever-increasing amounts of time bringing management up to speed.
Who with ambition is going to put in the years of donkey work if they know that the top job is going to be forever out of reach?
Welcome to celebrity politics. . .
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Originally Posted by GTM 3442
You're a National MP with big political ambitions.
You've put in the time and effort - stood in a safe Labour electorate, been rewarded with a marginal electorate, made a decent showing - maybe even won it, been rewarded with a safe National seat, you make it onto the party list, you get a shadow portfolio, you ask the patsy questions, you defend the indefensible, you swallow all the dead rats that come your way, you're an undersecretary, then a secretary, then a junior minister, then a senior minister, and then . . . .
The party helicopters in Don Brash. . . . or John Key. . . or Mister Luxon. . .
As a Senior Figure in the party, as a Senior Minister in the government - bang! wham! you've just hit the glass ceiling.
Your career path now ends at Deputy Prime Minister.
As they ask on TV - "How do you feel. . . "
And Bill English enjoyed his time as DPM & Finance Minister.
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Originally Posted by Balance
And Bill English enjoyed his time as DPM & Finance Minister.
One suspects he would have found time spent being PM even more enjoyable.
But, of course, in that time, he hit the glass ceiling. . .
Last edited by GTM 3442; 13-11-2019 at 06:17 PM.
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Originally Posted by Joshuatree
Wouldn’t want him as PM
“ At the top of every bubble, everyone is convinced it's not yet a bubble.”
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Ex-PM Jim Bolger calls for end of political donations Good one Jim, why not?
"Former Prime Minister Jim Bolger says one way to avoid skulduggery over political donations is to do away with them.
The National Party remains under a Serious Fraud Office investigation into claims it breached electoral laws by splitting a big donation into smaller amounts that did not require the donor to be made public.
Now New Zealand First is pushing the law to the limits by setting up a foundation that lends money to the party, meaning the money is not legally defined as donations."
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While we await the serious fraud investigation into the national party( jeez it would only take a week in China heres an indictment on Nick smith and National actively encouraging farming intensification in Canterbury. No responsibility taken oh no. Remember Nick Smith saying our rivers are wadeable, lol what a sad sorry representative of the people and our environment this guy has been
"In their retiring speeches ten years later the commissioners denied they were appointed to increase irrigation and intensify farming in Canterbury but the reality of what happen in that decade tells a different story. The Statistics New Zealand website shows that total dairy cow numbers in Canterbury in 2017 were 1,326,513 a 40 per cent increase from 938,453 in 2010."
Throwing democracy to the people A good article ,letting kiwis decide.
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