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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Skies View Post
    C'mon Iceman, there is no such thing as a Tenant Tax, it doesn't exist.
    The thing you're referring to isn't even a tax on investors or landlords.
    It's actually the removal of a tax deduction for investors, the complete opposite of a tax.

    In politics we've become so calloused & used to the manipulation of language to re-frame objective facts into alternative narratives that it doesn't even raise an eyebrow anymore.
    But it should & we should resist going down that path or we'll end up like America where you seem to be able to choose whatever facts suit you.
    There's many scholarly articles written on the subject & here's an interesting one.

    https://lithub.com/on-the-weaponizat...atized-nation/

    Getting back to the policy, removal of tax deductibility for investors.
    Here's an example, I know, a lawn mowing contractor who primarily through the tax deductibility facility was able to accumulate 42 rental properties.
    Since the govt removed the tax deductibility he has sold most of them & those homes are now all owner occupied with families paying off their own mortgages instead of rent to a landlord.
    Isn't that so much better for communities when families have security & stability, a stake in their communities, kids have stability to stay at the same school, develop a group of friends etc. rather than the insecurity of renting?
    Ultimately home insecurity leads to far higher social costs in crime, welfare benefits, truancy etc, and who picks up the costs for this - us taxpayers.

    And secondly, if that was a valid reason for rental increases if it was reinstated you would immediately expect rents to decrease wouldn't you? But we know that wouldn't happen.
    It's good policy with good outcomes.
    Home buyers were seriously disadvantaged against investors until this was changed & both competing on same footing. That's the way the free market should operate, not giving one group an advantage over another.
    Wrong. It is NOT a tax deduction. Interest payments are a legitimate business expense and should be tax deductible like all other expenses. So the rest of your post and the example given make no sense. How you could think someone bought 42 properties thanks to "tax deductions" is beyond me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    Wrong. It is NOT a tax deduction. Interest payments are a legitimate business expense and should be tax deductible like all other expenses. So the rest of your post and the example given make no sense. How you could think someone bought 42 properties thanks to "tax deductions" is beyond me.
    Exactly. It's absurd to tax a res. landlord on turnover rather than profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    Exactly. It's absurd to tax a res. landlord on turnover rather than profit.
    I agree. It is more absurd to tax the consumer when they buy food or clothing just to survive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Skies View Post
    And secondly, if that was a valid reason for rental increases if it was reinstated you would immediately expect rents to decrease wouldn't you? But we know that wouldn't happen.
    It's good policy with good outcomes.
    Home buyers were seriously disadvantaged against investors until this was changed & both competing on same footing. That's the way the free market should operate, not giving one group an advantage over another.
    New builds are exempt for 20 years too. National/Act consider this "too complex" to check a simple list.

    Maybe for them it is which is why they shouldn't be in govt with their current set of ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    Neither of these is an announced policy even though they have strongly indicated the tenant tax will be removed if economic conditions allow. Let's hope they do remove that silly tax policy. Tenants haven't done very well under this Government with rents up over 50% in 5 years so they deserve a break.
    They were policy, then they weren't, then policy again - is anyone sure what the status is at the moment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dobby41 View Post
    They were policy, then they weren't, then policy again - is anyone sure what the status is at the moment?
    You mean like the now abandoned TVNZ-RNZ merger after $23M spent on consultants, Auckland light rail with not one cm of track laid after $60M spent and Waka Gonowhere spending $62M on advertising their "Road to Zero" marketing hoax while 2022 had the highest road toll ever recorded in NZ ?
    Can't remember the cycle bridge numbers, not to mention all the other waste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    2022 had the highest road toll ever recorded in NZ
    Nah - less than half. I hope at least some of your other pronouncements match reality a bit more closely

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    You mean like the now abandoned TVNZ-RNZ merger after $23M spent on consultants, Auckland light rail with not one cm of track laid after $60M spent and Waka Gonowhere spending $62M on advertising their "Road to Zero" marketing hoax while 2022 had the highest road toll ever recorded in NZ ?
    Can't remember the cycle bridge numbers, not to mention all the other waste.
    I think you will find the road toll was at least double current rate in the 1980s suggest you google it and offer correction to your fake facts.

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    https://www.transport.govt.nz/statis...ads-since-1921

    Dropped after seatbelts became compulsory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davflaws View Post
    Nah - less than half. I hope at least some of your other pronouncements match reality a bit more closely
    Yes my bad. We had the highest Christmas & New Year road deaths in years, despite the tens of millions spent to reduce it. https://www.transport.govt.nz/statis...oliday-periods

    But typical of your defense of the indefensible, you have your head in the sand and ignore reality and the ridiculous waste we see from this Government on policies that achieve absolutely nothing,
    Last edited by iceman; 25-02-2023 at 08:22 AM.

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