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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    I disagree. National had some lines in the sand that they were not willing to cross and totally reasonably stuck to their guns on issues Jacinda rolled over on. She and Labour were desperate and ready to give away just about anything Winston wanted, which included treating The Greens like a door mat which they deserve and seem to like !
    National did the right thing. It is better to regroup in a strong parliamentary opposition and watch this mess unfold.
    Exactly and it was always going happen .... I just knew once Jacinda took over the ruddless Labour ship they would have a very good chance to win under MMP system(losers group together) .... then after election night I was 90% sure of it .... Bill is no teflon "john Key " Jacinda + Greens + labour party were all extremely desperate and old Winne knew it and took full advanatge of it ...

    Now just like buyers remorse ... Jacinda and here merry socialist crew will soon have to deal with the monster they have created ...the honeymoon will hit the wall during the GFC 2 2018-19
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    [QUOTE=JBmurc;689730]Exactly and it was always going happen .... I just knew once Jacinda took over the ruddless Labour ship they would have a very good chance to win under MMP system(losers group together) .... then after election night I was 90% sure of it .... Bill is no teflon "john Key " Jacinda + Greens + labour party were all extremely desperate and old Winne knew it and took full advanatge of it ...

    Now just like buyers remorse ... Jacinda and here merry socialist crew will soon have to deal with the monster they have created ...the honeymoon will hit the wall during the GFC 2 2018-19[/QUOte

    National have a good chance of getting back

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBmurc View Post
    Exactly and it was always going happen .... I just knew once Jacinda took over the ruddless Labour ship they would have a very good chance to win under MMP system(losers group together) .... then after election night I was 90% sure of it .... Bill is no teflon "john Key " Jacinda + Greens + labour party were all extremely desperate and old Winne knew it and took full advanatge of it ...

    Now just like buyers remorse ... Jacinda and here merry socialist crew will soon have to deal with the monster they have created ...the honeymoon will hit the wall during the GFC 2 2018-19[/QUOte

    National have a good chance of getting back

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    Agree, for a 3rd term

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    I disagree. National had some lines in the sand that they were not willing to cross and totally reasonably stuck to their guns on issues Jacinda rolled over on. She and Labour were desperate and ready to give away just about anything Winston wanted, which included treating The Greens like a door mat which they deserve and seem to like !
    National did the right thing. It is better to regroup in a strong parliamentary opposition and watch this mess unfold.
    Well said mate.
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    [QUOTE=Sgt Pepper;689735]
    Quote Originally Posted by JBmurc View Post
    Exactly and it was always going happen .... I just knew once Jacinda took over the ruddless Labour ship they would have a very good chance to win under MMP system(losers group together) .... then after election night I was 90% sure of it .... Bill is no teflon "john Key " Jacinda + Greens + labour party were all extremely desperate and old Winne knew it and took full advanatge of it ...

    Now just like buyers remorse ... Jacinda and here merry socialist crew will soon have to deal with the monster they have created ...the honeymoon will hit the wall during the GFC 2 2018-19[/QUOte

    National have a good chance of getting back

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    I'd say more like 2020
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    Jack Tame on Q & A this morn has introduced John Tamihere, the new President of the Maori Party, as holding what could be the most important job in NZ politics.

    If that's a true statement, It illustrates what a tenuous fragile system MMP has inflicted on NZ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getty View Post
    Jack Tame on Q & A this morn has introduced John Tamihere, the new President of the Maori Party, as holding what could be the most important job in NZ politics.

    If that's a true statement, It illustrates what a tenuous fragile system MMP has inflicted on NZ.
    Truly representative govenment - bummer aye!

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    Truly representative voting yes, but government no!

    All the voters who vote for the "majors" don't intend for a "minor" to decide who the govt will be, and tail wag the dog.

    And for the President of one of those minors , no matter who they are, or which party it is, to be deemed the most important person in NZ politics!
    Last edited by Getty; 19-06-2022 at 09:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getty View Post
    Jack Tame on Q & A this morn has introduced John Tamihere, the new President of the Maori Party, as holding what could be the most important job in NZ politics.

    If that's a true statement, It illustrates what a tenuous fragile system MMP has inflicted on NZ.
    Winston First had already demonstrated that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    Winston First had already demonstrated that.
    I dislike MMP and no doubt it has inflicted damage on our way of life but do you think we would be any better off today with the 2 party system ?

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