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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
    No one likes ACT's policies yet they have a voice in Parliament.
    You would deprive Epsom the right to have an elected representative? 0.5% of voters like ACT policies relative to the other decisions that had to be made. Like ensuring National got a decent party vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    But the majority voted for National plus Winston First.
    No matter how its cut and sliced the combined majority of voters will be represented in the next government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    But the majority voted for National plus Winston First.
    Virtually everyone who did not vote national voted for a change. So Labour/Green/NZfirst were the biggest block

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratkin View Post
    Virtually everyone who did not vote national voted for a change. So Labour/Green/NZfirst were the biggest block
    Sort of agree, but half the NZ First voters would be National if NZ first did not exist. THe Left block or change in govt block was/is Labour and Green. And they do not have the majority by a long way. IN fact they together even lack National.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    You would deprive Epsom the right to have an elected representative? 0.5% of voters like ACT policies relative to the other decisions that had to be made. Like ensuring National got a decent party vote.
    No not at all well done national and Act and if you could guarantee ACT winning Epsom you could also support ACT with your party vote in the hope David Seymour can bring in a second or third MP.

    I can't believe how thick the lefties in Epsom are. Surely there should be no electorate votes for Labour or the Greens candidates in Epsom. They can still give their party vote to the left but they should all be voting National for the electorate vote.

    If they could get the National man voted in ACT is a goner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
    No not at all well done national and Act and if you could guarantee ACT winning Epsom you could also support ACT with your party vote in the hope David Seymour can bring in a second or third MP.

    I can't believe how thick the lefties in Epsom are. Surely there should be no electorate votes for Labour or the Greens candidates in Epsom. They can still give their party vote to the left but they should all be voting National for the electorate vote.

    If they could get the National man voted in ACT is a goner.
    That would be a bad thing. Act has consistently promoted some damn good ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
    No not at all well done national and Act and if you could guarantee ACT winning Epsom you could also support ACT with your party vote in the hope David Seymour can bring in a second or third MP.

    I can't believe how thick the lefties in Epsom are. Surely there should be no electorate votes for Labour or the Greens candidates in Epsom. They can still give their party vote to the left but they should all be voting National for the electorate vote.

    If they could get the National man voted in ACT is a goner.
    Yeah I was chuckling at how many votes D. Parker got in Epsom. But the left do not help themselves either. They could refuse to stand a candidate. Although that may not change much.... those voting Labour or Green probably still would not know to vote Goldsmith or whatever his name is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    That would be a bad thing. Act has consistently promoted some damn good ideas.
    Hopefully David Seymour will be able to use his time in opposition and away from National to get more air time for those ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waikare View Post
    Yes the system is broken, all the MPs from both Greens and NZ First are all list MPs not one was elected on the night outright, and it appears they now will have a big say in how country will be run for the next three years. Is that fair,,,,,,,,,
    That is just SO WRONG! Unelected party members from a minor party with only 7.5% of the nationwide party votes gets to choose the major party that forms a government.

    MMP is seriously flawed, it's a farce, get rid of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baa_Baa View Post
    That is just SO WRONG! Unelected party members from a minor party with only 7.5% of the nationwide party votes gets to choose the major party that forms a government.

    MMP is seriously flawed, it's a farce, get rid of it.
    Even though unlikely, I sincerely hope that National gain 1 seat from the special votes. That would remove Winston's choice to the Left and force him to support National or another election called, where NZF would be wiped out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rep View Post
    Hmmmm not sure about mature... noting that the third ranked party, Alternative for Germany (AfD) secured 13% of the vote and sees the return of the far-right to the Bundestag for the first time in 50 years.
    This is happening all over Europe, including Scandinavia, as a result of failed immigration policies over many years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    This is happening all over Europe, including Scandinavia, as a result of failed immigration policies over many years.
    I would say the same thing here on a smaller scale...Peters is the only anti-immigration party
    Last edited by Raz; 25-09-2017 at 12:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baa_Baa View Post
    That is just SO WRONG! Unelected party members from a minor party with only 7.5% of the nationwide party votes gets to choose the major party that forms a government.

    MMP is seriously flawed, it's a farce, get rid of it.
    Not really..get an actual majority and you have no issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raz View Post
    Not really..get an actual majority and you have no issue.
    That would just be FPP in disguise, so no need for MMP aye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    Can I throw in a curved ball here for debate. Would a N.Z. Frist / Labour / Greens coalition have the moral authority to govern ? Nearly 50% of the population didn't vote for any of those parties. I think if we end up getting this sort of coalition then MMP is a farce. Surely the party with the biggest share of the vote should have the preemptive right to form a government ?
    But over 50% did. Under FPP, a party could have had well under 50% support yet have a very comfortable majority of seats. Was that fair for the majority of voters who did not vote for that party?

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