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    10 THINGS YOU MAY NOT KNOW ABOUT THE PORT ISSUE - FROM NZ HERALD

    1. That wall of containers on port land at the bottom of the Strand: they're empty. Any stack three of more high is just storage.

    2. The working group talked to 78 companies in the freight business, or impacted by it, and over 90 per cent said they wanted better rail services.

    3. The price of goods does not go up, in general, the further they have to travel. Christmas toys cost the same in Ashburton as they do in Auckland. This is because prices are not usually set on a cost-plus basis. So the idea that a longer supply line will increase costs to consumers is debatable, at best.

    4. If moving the port and transferring freight haulage to rail succeeds, Auckland probably won't need a new harbour crossing for decades.

    5. Short of closing all schools, moving the port would reduce traffic on Auckland roads more than any other single measure.

    6. The Port of Tauranga has not been ignored or rejected. The plan says it should expand quickly and take up what capacity it can. But there are geographic constraints. Northport has the bigger potential.

    7. The Auckland port currently employs 500 people. But not for much longer. Most of the container operation will be automated, probably next year.

    8. Ports of Auckland and consultancy NZIER say GDP will fall by $1.3 billion if goods have to enter the country at Northport and Tauranga and be rail freighted to Auckland. That's an analysis of transport costs, and is disputed by the working group. Further, it doesn't take account of the opportunity cost of keeping the port at Auckland or of developing the whole of Northland on the back of Northport.

    9. A 1000-tonne train with a diesel engine can take the load of 30 large trucks, with only a third of the carbon emissions. Emissions from an electrified train are much less again.

    10. How many cars can you get on a train? So many, this many - picture shows hundreds.

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    Nothing definite but looking positive for moving the port. PM has said Auckland is not a long term viable solution for the port, and an announcement on the port to be made later this week by Shane Jones.

    Driving along Quay St today, there's a solid wall of rusty containers stacked 6,7,even 8 high, blocking the view of the harbour, and container truck after container truck after container truck grinding their way along the Strand heading for the choked motorway system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Skies View Post
    Nothing definite but looking positive for moving the port. PM has said Auckland is not a long term viable solution for the port, and an announcement on the port to be made later this week by Shane Jones.
    Hope its not another re-port to be done. If it is...lets get someone from Invercargill to do it. Or somewhere like that.
    On second thoughts...they might hate Auckland so much they choose to leave the port there !

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    Ports of Auckland has to move, says Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12292277


    good leaders decision , lets hope its sooner , costs less then
    one step ahead of the herd

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    ………………………………...I'll be back
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatsup View Post
    Moving the P o Auck north will not happen in my life time of obvious reasons.
    Are you feeling OK Whatsup ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bull.... View Post
    Ports of Auckland has to move, says Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern

    [URL]https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12292277[/UR
    good leaders decision , lets hope its sooner , costs less then
    "Speaking to the Herald, Jones said the Government speaks when the Prime Minister speaks – "she has clearly stated that the port will move".

    "I'm sure for the Auckland activists who want the port gone; it's basically money from heaven."

    But "where those pennies will fall", in terms of details like location, timing and the process, will be unveiled on Thursday."

    Well, the biggest beneficiary has to be Northport.

    Now watch while it benefits from the billions of dollars to be spent over the next decade - $50 share price, here we come!

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    Well, it's clear that NZF has won the war on shifting POA to Northland - just a question now of logistics*.

    One issue identified by the Working Group is that Northland Port ownership structure must be changed - https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ectid=12290790

    Next move may be POA imo making an offer to take over majority ownership of MMH so watch the space!

    *Took Sydney 9 years (1970 to 1979) to shift from Darling Harbour to Port Botany - look how wonderful Sydney is now with Darling Harbour becoming a focal point for the city growth beyond the core CBD into the harbour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RTM View Post
    Are you feeling OK Whatsup ?
    Be kind to Whatsup.

    His downramping did not work for him but kept the sp under check for others to invest before yesterday's announcement.

    So thanks!

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    Anyone see Nat's finance spokesperson Paul Goldsmith being interviewed on Q & A last night ? Talk about hopeless & deliberate obfuscation, couldn't get a straight answer out of him what National would do about the port, (or anything else for that matter) just fell back on requiring more reports.
    i.e. more procrastination, until decision would be made for them.
    Very disappointing.

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