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    P S when was the last time you guys/guysses sent anything by rail ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatsup View Post
    Do you know the state of the rail in northland , 50 years of neglect not to mention the tunnels and the tracks that need to be widened and up graded by whom the N Z govt ( people ) or the Rail Corp.
    Read the study that was prepared on this subject 2 years ago !!! dooooooough dumd imo another w@nker winstone decision.
    Of course you have priced in the estimated $2 billion annual cost that Auckland congestion causes the NZ economy. Of course you have considered that some containers go north from Auckland and vice versa.. Of course you have considered that some containers can also go to Tauranga
    Of course you have considered that abusive posts such as yours, cause well- respected posters on this forum to leave, to the detriment of the quality of the forum.

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    Where are the real figures the congestion costs the Auckland economy $2 billion per year , that was a throwaway estimate that everyone has been hanging their hats on for years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatsup View Post
    P S when was the last time you guys/guysses sent anything by rail ?
    Most of the nortland rail system is single track after its leaves Swanson, then there is the massive problem of the Swanson tunnel , have a look at that one,
    Double tracking from Swanson to the Marsden P is one massive investment , regrading and reforming, widening the track for double tracks, refencing, then there is the issues of double widening of the tunnels that are required, the list goes on !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatsup View Post
    Most of the nortland rail system is single track after its leaves Swanson, then there is the massive problem of the Swanson tunnel , have a look at that one,
    Double tracking from Swanson to the Marsden P is one massive investment , regrading and reforming, widening the track for double tracks, refencing, then there is the issues of double widening of the tunnels that are required, the list goes on !!
    Why would you double track the whole way? I'm fairly sure signals and lay-bys are pretty low tech and do away with the need to double track

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    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/973...icy-would-cost

    Of course it is going to cost - just as the waterview tunnel cost $1.6 billion.

    NZ and Auckland in particular need to start thinking long term - rather than the usual panic plan and ad hoc implementation of solutions to resolve capacity problems. Best example - housing crisis which has resulted in a land rich region like Auckland pricing a small piece of dirt (380 sq meter) at $1 million?

    Just been to China and it is amazing to observe how they can build super infrastructure there - fast, efficient, long distance, quick and with reasonable cost.

    Goods (including containers by the squillions) are freighted by train all across this vast country - on new railway lines - and in the future, all over continental Asia and Europe.

    How pathetic that in NZ, a relatively short railway line (with land already set aside and basic infrastructure in place) can cause so much angst and howls of outrage. Or are we hearing the desperate anguish cries of vested interests (freight companies, Ports of Auckland executives etc) trying to stop a project which will bring huge long term benefits to Auckland and Northland?
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    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-a...ectid=10962922

    For those who are interested, the Northland Port proposal was one which was properly assessed and obviously championed by the Northland Council and obviously, Northland Port - way back in the 2000s.

    The logic and economies of doing so were so profound that Ports of Auckland promptly moved to take a 20% shareholding in the company.

    Here's hoping that Winston keeps his promise and Auckland gets rid of that ghastly waterfront dominated by cranes and the most expensive carparking facility in the world. Time the self-interested visionless directors and management of POA get booted out.

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    certainly could make the waterfront aucklands jewell in the crown; without the port there they could have an amazing thriving waterfront magnet for all and even nz's variation of the sydney opera house, maybe shaped like a giant standing opened bivalve paua shell shape with all the polished irridescent colours on the outside.;;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    certainly could make the waterfront aucklands jewell in the crown; without the port there they could have an amazing thriving waterfront magnet for all and even nz's variation of the sydney opera house, maybe shaped like a giant standing opened bivalve paua shell shape with all the polished irridescent colours on the outside.;;
    So many wonderful things can be done with an awesome harbour like Auckland - just go to other cities like Sydney, Vancouver, Hong Kong, Lisbon, Stockholm, Baltimore etc where ports have been relocated and the port area redeveloped into living, thriving, vibrant and beautiful areas available to all citizens.

    Auckland port is simply the biggest disgrace in the world - a beautiful harbour blighted by self interested individuals with no vision and no motivation beyond keeping their jobs and racking in the salaries.

    Go Winston GO!

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    Balance, I lived in Vancouver for 5 years and the port is still where it has always been.
    So if the port is moved to Northland who gets the $50 mil that the Ports of Auckland generates for Auckland , afterall the POA is owned by the Auckland Council, will they sell it to someone ( Nthland Council/Ports/public ) and if not then does the Port of Northland do all of the infrastructure that is necessary for free and they also run the port for free ?

    The current working port brings a working excitement to this city .

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatsup View Post

    The current working port brings a working excitement to this city .
    Working excitement. No matter how you spin it the bottom of Queen st is rather dog like where the port is.It is an amazing opportunity to make the edge where the land meets the sea an amazing invigorating truly exciting place to hang, shop , spend, be entertained , informed and eat. What have you got a sky tower that looks the same all around the world; dismal!. This is a chance to make something special and unique and put Auck on the map of excitement, culture and modern civilisation. The port has long outlived its usefulness here unless you are turned on by repetitive metal containers and straddle cranes imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    Working excitement. The port has long outlived its usefulness here unless you are turned on by repetitive metal containers and straddle cranes imo.
    Some people get turned on by the sight of rusty metal?

    More exciting than restaurants, bars, pubs, cafes, entertainment venues, parks, waterfront access and beautiful people!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    Working excitement. No matter how you spin it the bottom of Queen st is rather dog like where the port is.It is an amazing opportunity to make the edge where the land meets the sea an amazing invigorating truly exciting place to hang, shop , spend, be entertained , informed and eat. What have you got a sky tower that looks the same all around the world; dismal!. This is a chance to make something special and unique and put Auck on the map of excitement, culture and modern civilisation. The port has long outlived its usefulness here unless you are turned on by repetitive metal containers and straddle cranes imo.
    Josh, Last time I looked Auckland was already on the map of excitement etc , its even on a world map so nothing new there, putting Auckland of the map is a pathetic statement just the same as the Auck Council saying that they want to make Auck a world city, it already is !

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    Use your imagination and come up with something else if you like but you left out excitement, culture, and modern civilisation. Id also add leading edge; unique NZ architecture like the paua idea. If you think the sky tower of which versions are all around the world is exciting and unique and kiwi , well , more creativity is needed imo. We want something NEW down there in Dockland.

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    What ever way you slice it the financial case/model just does not stack up for moving the POA from its present site, however attractive the other considerations may be, that are the facts nothing more nothing less , end of story.

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    Just the beginning of the story imo; ask winston.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    Just the beginning of the story imo; ask winston.
    Tell me do you REALLY believe anything he says ?

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    This is Winstons last term he has already said that , so wait till the next parliament and change the legislation again , so simple

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatsup View Post
    Tell me do you REALLY believe anything he says ?
    On this one, he better deliver - his opportunity to leave a lasting tangible legacy.

    And his legacy matters to him now that he knows he will never be PM.
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    IMO as a former politician said man " is like the Easter bunny, chocolate on the outside and hollow on the inside", imho not very flattering .
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