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    Some key takes from the rather objective article above by Bill Ralston:

    "There’s no escaping that the port has to move because it is close to capacity and unlikely to continue to get permission to dredge the channel and expand."

    First thing the visionless and incompetent board and management did to spite Aucklanders was - Build a multi-storey carpark to store more cars!

    Gotto show those Aucklanders what happens when they dare to defy the fat cats in refusing to allow more reclamation, see - block their view by putting an ugly 5 story car-park right on their waterfront!

    And guess what? There will be more ugly high rises if you peasant Aucklanders dare to go against the fat cats ever again.


    Why their waterfront, you say? Because it was part of the harbour before POA reclaimed it.

    Then, suggested Firth of Thames - zero sign that they have done any work except try and stall the inevitable requirement to move sometime in the future:

    "The port company suggests, instead, looking at the Firth of Thames as the port’s new home. The trouble with that suggestion is that environmentalists would be bound to oppose the new four-lane highway and railway line that would have to be built to service the port, and the amount of dredging in the Firth of Thames to accommodate shipping. Oh, yes, there would also be the small matter of building an entirely new port."
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    Obvious that a lot of work has already been done behind the scenes by Northport to facilitate a transition of the car import operations from Auckland to Northport.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ectid=12289789

    "Could Northport's brainwave for new car import system ease Auckland traffic hell?"*

    A mixed distribution platform to deliver new and used cars from Northport utilizing car carrier vessels, rail and road transporters - after all compliance and certifying requirements are done on site.

    The platform to be cost neutral to the price of a vehicle but will reduce road congestion.

    Industry players have been consulted and an independent economic and strategic assessment is to be undertaken.

    The fat cats sitting in their plush POA offices can only come up with the 5 story car-parking building as an alternative!

    * Well worthwhile getting an online subscription to the NZ Herald if you want to follow the debates and discussions on shifting Ports of Auckland operations. There's $$$$ to be made!

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    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/progr...d-weigh-anchor

    Radio NZ interview today with Wayne Brown, Chair of Working Group.

    One of the more interesting points to me from the interview is that the EY 2016 Report about the future of Ports of Auckland was that EY was SPECIFICALLY instructed to exclude Northport as an option!

    Guess who gave that specific instruction?

    Another interesting point to emerge is that POA was warned 30 years ago that it should be looking for an alternative but the fat cats there simply reclaimed more harbor. Great vision - NOT!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    Obvious that a lot of work has already been done behind the scenes by Northport to facilitate a transition of the car import operations from Auckland to Northport.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ectid=12289789

    "Could Northport's brainwave for new car import system ease Auckland traffic hell?"*

    A mixed distribution platform to deliver new and used cars from Northport utilizing car carrier vessels, rail and road transporters - after all compliance and certifying requirements are done on site.

    The platform to be cost neutral to the price of a vehicle but will reduce road congestion.

    Industry players have been consulted and an independent economic and strategic assessment is to be undertaken.

    The fat cats sitting in their plush POA offices can only come up with the 5 story car-parking building as an alternative!

    * Well worthwhile getting an online subscription to the NZ Herald if you want to follow the debates and discussions on shifting Ports of Auckland operations. There's $$$$ to be made!
    Read that article in print media at lunch time and agree with what Murray Jagger's proposal there. Lot of merit in that detail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sb9 View Post
    Read that article in print media at lunch time and agree with what Murray Jagger's proposal there. Lot of merit in that detail.
    The series of articles on the shift this week begins with this one :

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12289812

    "We have had 20 reports in the last 10 years on the future of the port, each one pulling us towards the view of whichever outfit commissioned it. Now it's time to act."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/progr...d-weigh-anchor

    Radio NZ interview today with Wayne Brown, Chair of Working Group.

    One of the more interesting points to me from the interview is that the EY 2016 Report about the future of Ports of Auckland was that EY was SPECIFICALLY instructed to exclude Northport as an option!

    Guess who gave that specific instruction?

    Another interesting point to emerge is that POA was warned 30 years ago that it should be looking for an alternative but the fat cats there simply reclaimed more harbor. Great vision - NOT!
    Thanks for the link. Its certainly pretty clear to WB what needs to happen.
    Wednesday we have Tony Gibson - Ports of Auckland - on...will be interesting to hear the other side.
    It would be good in fact to hear them being interviewed together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/progr...d-weigh-anchor

    Radio NZ interview today with Wayne Brown, Chair of Working Group.

    One of the more interesting points to me from the interview is that the EY 2016 Report about the future of Ports of Auckland was that EY was SPECIFICALLY instructed to exclude Northport as an option!

    Guess who gave that specific instruction?

    Another interesting point to emerge is that POA was warned 30 years ago that it should be looking for an alternative but the fat cats there simply reclaimed more harbor. Great vision - NOT!

    Thanks Balance, a v interesting interview & after listening to it fully agree Northport is the solution. Little wonder many of us deflected by the POA procured EY report which astonishingly suggested Murawai as a possible option but not Northport, which implied Northport so far down the list of possible options as to be a non starter, when the truth was POA instructed EY to exclude any option outside the Auckland region. Would have been so interesting to see what EY had to say about Northport as an option if they had been allowed to.

    I like the idea of POT feeding the existing freight/transit link at Wiri for South Auckland, and Northport feeding a new freight/transit link north of the bridge for the rapidly expanding North Western areas of Auckland.

    Lines of huge container trucks and double decker car carrying lorries coming out of the waterfront & being mixed up with cyclists & small cars through the centre of Auckland city is not viable, neither is dynamiting parts of the Rangitoto channel to allow bigger ships. The cost of rail freight mitigated by the reduced congestion on the roads & motorways. And that's without even starting on the socio economic benefits of stimulating the regions to get people out of Auckland which is at breaking point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTM View Post
    Thanks for the link. Its certainly pretty clear to WB what needs to happen.
    Wednesday we have Tony Gibson - Ports of Auckland - on...will be interesting to hear the other side.
    It would be good in fact to hear them being interviewed together.
    A bit pre-mature imo as he should see and read the Report before fronting so I hope that RNZ would give him a copy in the interest of fairness before he is interviewed.

    Question must be asked as to why POA instructed EY to exclude Northport from its 2016 study.

    We have until now the misinformation (fed & promoted by Northport opponents & paid consultants) that Northport was soooooo far down the list that it was not even worthwhile considering!

    https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/f...st-replacement

    " ..... both NZIER and Castalia question how the latest study, which sought advice and modelling from accounting firm EY, could come to such a different conclusion to the EY-led 2016 Future Ports Study."

    Such a basic question to ask and these two firms did not even ask! Why was Northport excluded in the EY study?
    Credibility of NZIER and Castalia = ZERO!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    A bit pre-mature imo as he should see and read the Report before fronting so I hope that RNZ would give him a copy in the interest of fairness before he is interviewed.

    Question must be asked as to why POA instructed EY to exclude Northport from its 2016 study.

    We have until now the misinformation (fed by Northport opponents) that Northport was soooooo far down the list that it was not even worthwhile considering!
    Surely as a key stake holder POA will already have a copy of the report ?
    I am somewhat frustrated / bemused that it has not yet been released publicly. It is a hugely topical matter with a lot of debate going on.
    And those lucky enough to have the final report are significantly better informed.
    Why not just get on and release it so everyone is playing with the same deck of cards ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Skies View Post
    Thanks Balance, a v interesting interview & after listening to it fully agree Northport is the solution. Little wonder many of us deflected by the POA procured EY report which astonishingly suggested Murawai as a possible option but not Northport, which implied Northport so far down the list of possible options as to be a non starter, when the truth was POA instructed EY to exclude any option outside the Auckland region. Would have been so interesting to see what EY had to say about Northport as an option if they had been allowed to.

    I like the idea of POT feeding the existing freight/transit link at Wiri for South Auckland, and Northport feeding a new freight/transit link north of the bridge for the rapidly expanding North Western areas of Auckland.

    Lines of huge container trucks and double decker car carrying lorries coming out of the waterfront & being mixed up with cyclists & small cars through the centre of Auckland city is not viable, neither is dynamiting parts of the Rangitoto channel to allow bigger ships. The cost of rail freight mitigated by the reduced congestion on the roads & motorways. And that's without even starting on the socio economic benefits of stimulating the regions to get people out of Auckland which is at breaking point.
    Skies, will not happen imo , something to ponder, so far it has taken TEN YEARS of dreaming, planning , arguing, pondering, writing reports and discussing on the merits of a clipon cycle lane on the Auckland harbour bridge and guess what, NOTHING, NOTHING, NADA, so in that vein how long will it take to fully discuss and make a decision on the maybe merits of moving the PoA , FIFTY YEARS PLUS.

    Sorry Bal but the facts and actions speaks volumes !

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