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    National at it again being mischievous.

    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/natio...cid=spartandhp

    At least Labour is up front and honest announcing the election day and immediately after announcing a lot of infrastructure projects. Not vote buying as such if the projects were going to go ahead anyway but nicely timed to pump up the feel good for labour. I only hope they didn't slow down the roading projects to time this with the election as this would have them putting their own interests ahead of the people of NZ.

    But on the face of it National is starting to come across as being dishonest and underhand. National have more support than any other party but the way they are conducting themselves may not do them any favours with the electorate as Kiwis have tended to not like dishonesty in our politicians (c.f. the rest of the world)

    That said the dancing Cossacks worked a treat for Robert Muldoon in 1975. Sadly if it hadn't I may not have upset so many posters discussing national superannuation on this site.

    Ironic because in some ways to me the Muldoon era was the closest to state control we have ever come with wage and price freezes and think big projects etc.

    https://nzhistory.govt.nz/media/video/dancing-cossacks

    National superannuation "paid out as it comes in so not affected by inflation" nice one Rob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
    National at it again being mischievous.

    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/natio...cid=spartandhp

    At least Labour is up front and honest announcing the election day and immediately after announcing a lot of infrastructure projects. Not vote buying as such if the projects were going to go ahead anyway but nicely timed to pump up the feel good for labour. I only hope they didn't slow down the roading projects to time this with the election as this would have them putting their own interests ahead of the people of NZ.

    But on the face of it National is starting to come across as being dishonest and underhand. National have more support than any other party but the way they are conducting themselves may not do them any favours with the electorate as Kiwis have tended to not like dishonesty in our politicians (c.f. the rest of the world)

    That said the dancing Cossacks worked a treat for Robert Muldoon in 1975. Sadly if it hadn't I may not have upset so many posters discussing national superannuation on this site.

    Ironic because in some ways to me the Muldoon era was the closest to state control we have ever come with wage and price freezes and think big projects etc.

    https://nzhistory.govt.nz/media/video/dancing-cossacks

    National superannuation "paid out as it comes in so not affected by inflation" nice one Rob.
    Haha. You are funny Aaron. John Key introduced this announcing early of election dates and Jacinda is simply following in his footsteps. Stopping the National Roads of Significance project as soon Jacinda/Winston came to power and not starting ONE new roading project in 2 years, then dusting it off and bringing back out a few months before the election, with again no new roads starting before the election, is a cynical bribery like only Labour can do. A bit like Helen Clark did with the interest free student loans. But she can just smile and hug and all is good.

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    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/natio...cid=spartandhp

    Yes national are stooping in an attempt to conquer. Unfortunately it just build s on the unscrupulous way they are attempting to manipulate and dumb down the populace along with some media radio and TV stooges hosings, du please, garnish etc. Playing dirty and treating kiwis as naive and dumb is a big backfire imo and deservedly so. hang on to bridges as long as you can national, that hole is becoming "entrenched".

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    Interesting to see where all the bribes/promises are going on roading. We here in Nelson/Tasman, with 2% of the population and growing fast (both population and congestion), get ZERO. Meanwhile much slower growing areas like Wairarapa, Palmerston North, Northland, Gisborne and Whanganui get lots. Of course this has nothing to do with which areas corrupt Winnie or Labour see the election being fought in ! Hand me another Tui

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    Com’on Iceman that is a bit harsh. They probably just started at the top divvying out the money and then found they had run out by the time they got to Wellington. I am sure it had nothing to do with the lower voter numbers down here - or the fact that Bridges doesn’t think his own Nelson - West Coast candidates could run a pissup in a brewery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    Interesting to see where all the bribes/promises are going on roading. We here in Nelson/Tasman, with 2% of the population and growing fast (both population and congestion), get ZERO. Meanwhile much slower growing areas like Wairarapa, Palmerston North, Northland, Gisborne and Whanganui get lots. Of course this has nothing to do with which areas corrupt Winnie or Labour see the election being fought in ! Hand me another Tui
    Well, it certainly looks like they try to optimize the impact of their election lolly scramble. Everybody needs to pay for the lollies, but they are clearly only spread in districts where they hope to regain a seat.

    South Island overall gets hardly anything from the lolly scramble despite containing some of the fastest growing regions in NZ. You are right to point out the unfairness related to Nelson, but some others are still worse off. Canterbury has roughly 10% of the NZ population and contains some of NZ's fastest growing districts (e.g.
    Selwyn) with significant traffic issues. Government gives us only 2.5% of the funds.

    I guess this will teach us to vote for National - or will it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    Haha. You are funny Aaron. John Key introduced this announcing early of election dates and Jacinda is simply following in his footsteps. Stopping the National Roads of Significance project as soon Jacinda/Winston came to power and not starting ONE new roading project in 2 years, then dusting it off and bringing back out a few months before the election, with again no new roads starting before the election, is a cynical bribery like only Labour can do. A bit like Helen Clark did with the interest free student loans. But she can just smile and hug and all is good.
    I’ll never forget the 10 bridges National promised for the North. Just plain wrong.
    National and Lab. equally bad with the bribes in my book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    Interesting to see where all the bribes/promises are going on roading. We here in Nelson/Tasman, with 2% of the population and growing fast (both population and congestion), get ZERO. Meanwhile much slower growing areas like Wairarapa, Palmerston North, Northland, Gisborne and Whanganui get lots. Of course this has nothing to do with which areas corrupt Winnie or Labour see the election being fought in ! Hand me another Tui
    Plenty of time before the election Iceman. You may yet get some attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTM View Post
    I’ll never forget the 10 bridges National promised for the North. Just plain wrong.
    National and Lab. equally bad with the bribes in my book.
    That was so bad I voted for Winston in the by-election. After holding the Northland seat for as long as I can remember they suddenly thought up grading 10 bridges was a good idea just before the by-election. Never mind all the decades prior when they held the seat.
    It would seem National doesn't reward its voters for the safe seat but takes them for granted until they think they need to buy their votes.
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    Good Labour man Mike Moore dies

    Good guy was Mike

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/119...e-dies-aged-71
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    Labour bulking up their campaign team

    Reed Fleming is an interesting recruit
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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    Good Labour man Mike Moore dies

    Good guy was Mike

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/119...e-dies-aged-71
    Sad to read that. Although not a Labour supporter, I did not dislike Mike. He like you say was a good guy.

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    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...winston-peters

    A vote for Winston is a vote for Labour. No pretence now of who really controls sweet Cindy who cannot deliver CGT, housing, housing affordability, drop in welfarism and remember, no increased taxes (but indirect taxes are ok).

    Let the campaign begins!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPeter View Post
    Well, it certainly looks like they try to optimize the impact of their election lolly scramble. Everybody needs to pay for the lollies, but they are clearly only spread in districts where they hope to regain a seat.

    South Island overall gets hardly anything from the lolly scramble despite containing some of the fastest growing regions in NZ. You are right to point out the unfairness related to Nelson, but some others are still worse off. Canterbury has roughly 10% of the NZ population and contains some of NZ's fastest growing districts (e.g.
    Selwyn) with significant traffic issues. Government gives us only 2.5% of the funds.

    I guess this will teach us to vote for National - or will it?
    Have a read of the facts around what National said they would build and what they had actually funded.
    Marginally to Labour but not totally to National as Simon would have you believe.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...infrastructure

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    Quote Originally Posted by dobby41 View Post
    Have a read of the facts around what National said they would build and what they had actually funded.
    Marginally to Labour but not totally to National as Simon would have you believe.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...infrastructure
    Article is not really relevant related to the concerns I raised ... hardly any money for fast growing districts in the South Island ...
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    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...s-is-deafening

    Time for Labour to grow a pair and for Jacinda to show some integrity and stop being the grubby politician she has become.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
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    Time for Labour to grow a pair and for Jacinda to show some integrity and stop being the grubby politician she has become.
    And do what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dobby41 View Post
    And do what?
    Tell her Deputy PM to pull his head in for example and stop saying things like his donors deserve to remain anonymous which is against the law if they donate over certain amounts. That would be a good start.
    Maybe also point out to him that this "most transparent Government ever" does not look too good when former party officials are being spied on and photographed because they are exposing the corrupt practices of NZF and it's so called foundation

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    Tell her Deputy PM to pull his head in for example and stop saying things like his donors deserve to remain anonymous which is against the law if they donate over certain amounts. That would be a good start.
    Maybe also point out to him that this "most transparent Government ever" does not look too good when former party officials are being spied on and photographed because they are exposing the corrupt practices of NZF and it's so called foundation
    Now go easy there. NZ laws do not apply to Winston First - never have.

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