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    Sir John did a deal with the maori party despite not needing them.

    lots of taxpayer money funnelled into second-tier whanau ora schemes and charter schools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justakiwi View Post
    I said new material, not the same old regurgitated stuff we have had to listen to for months. The election is over. Jacinda and Labour won. Get over it. Have you seriously not got anything better to do with your life/time than drag this debate out for eternity? It is a glorious day - go take the dog for a walk, dig your veggie garden, water some flowers. Or maybe even surprise Mrs Balance with an afternoon bonk.

    You will feel better, whichever option you choose. I promise.
    OMG Justakiwiw I had to read that twice to make sure I had read it right and true enough you really did say BONK My Sunday night is now ruined by the thought of Balance bonking

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    Quote Originally Posted by RupertBear View Post
    OMG Justakiwiw I had to read that twice to make sure I had read it right and true enough you really did say BONK My Sunday night is now ruined by the thought of Balance bonking
    Haha, chill RupertBear - just think George Clooney & Jennifer Lopez 😜

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    Quote Originally Posted by justakiwi View Post
    I said new material, not the same old regurgitated stuff we have had to listen to for months. The election is over. Jacinda and Labour won. Get over it. Have you seriously not got anything better to do with your life/time than drag this debate out for eternity?
    I don't always agree with Balance. However, in a democracy, the government should continuously be held to account for its actions and for its delivery of its platform promises.

    For example, will it kick the can down the street again in relation to housing as it has already on a capital gains tax? To make itself electable it has basically become a National Party Lite

    It is a glorious day - go take the dog for a walk, dig your veggie garden, water some flowers. Or maybe even surprise Mrs Balance with an afternoon bonk.

    You will feel better, whichever option you choose. I promise.
    You are making a lot of assumptions there. Anyway, it always makes me chuckle when a poster makes a post suggesting that other posters should be doing something else!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Pepper View Post
    I know political hypocrisy is nothing new but the Greens agreement to disagree with the labour certainly raises the bar. We hold fast to our core values, indeed but we also would like to hold on to our ministerial salaries.!
    It's an agreement to 'agree to agree to disagree', according to the female half-leader. Fungus says - Well put lady.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    Haha, chill RupertBear - just think George Clooney & Jennifer Lopez ��
    Or Steptoe and Enid Sharples

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    Like I’m the only one here who makes wild assumptions. That’s funny.

    Balance took my comments OK, so not sure why they put your jockeys in a knot.

    You have a lovely day


    Quote Originally Posted by Bjauck View Post
    You are making a lot of assumptions there. Anyway, it always makes me chuckle when a poster makes a post suggesting that other posters should be doing something else!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    It's an agreement to 'agree to agree to disagree', according to the female half-leader. Fungus says - Well put lady.
    I watched Sunday on TV One last night. One of the items covered was the $11miilion to the Green School. During the interview with the owners they were asked if they had met directly with Minister Shaw. Not directly, they disclosed, but via a Zoom video . I have issues with this. It is not, in my opinion, right ( or wise )that such direct lobbying occur which results in taxpayers money being dispersed.
    He should not be a minister
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    Quote Originally Posted by justakiwi View Post
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    You have a lovely day
    Will do. I have just drawn up a new list of kitchen chores for "her indoors". I am expecting great meals today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Pepper View Post
    I watched Sunday on TV One last night. One of the items covered was the $11miilion to the Green School. During the interview with the owners they were asked if they had met directly with Minister Shaw. Not directly, they disclosed, but via a Zoom video . I have issues with this. It is not, in my opinion, right ( or wise )that such direct lobbying occur which results in taxpayers money being dispersed.
    He should not be a minister
    I agree with you Sgt Pepper. I was quite shocked to hear about that on Sunday. In fact I think the whole thing is a fiasco and no Government money should be put forward for something that is simply an idea from wealthy greenies that have zero experience in running an education facility. Meanwhile the primary schools in the wider area have unsuitable buildings to work in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjauck View Post
    Will do. I have just drawn up a new list of kitchen chores for "her indoors". I am expecting great meals today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Pepper View Post
    I know political hypocrisy is nothing new but the Greens agreement to disagree with the labour certainly raises the bar. We hold fast to our core values, indeed but we also would like to hold on to our ministerial salaries.!
    Very smart move in my opinion for both Labour and the Greens. You can get a lot more done to advance your policies if you are a Minister rather than being in opposition. It would be a shame to waste James Shaw’s knowledge and experience. Politics is about negotiation and compromise. Seems to me that labelling it hypocrisy is based on who the parties are not on actually doing a deal. Your bias is showing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    And what is Cindy doing about the property market surging out of the reach of first home buyers and rents going up?

    NOTHING - because she and her team of incompetents have not got a clue!

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/pro...an-lvrs-to-fix

    "Given the fundamentals supporting the property market, Patterson said it was not really a bubble. The challenge was the widening gap in wealth between the 60-odd per cent of people who are homeowners, and the rest.

    “For those that are locked out of the housing market at present, it is problematic. We’ve seen rents have actually still gone up across the country, and those people don’t benefit from the lower interest expense.”
    Probably a few more people will start thinking like this person who made this comment about the above article:
    I’ve changed my mind, we need a capital gains tax. Urgently. It makes no sense that us income earners will pay high tax so the government can buy houses for those who can’t afford them while the so called investors, with many houses, who are largely causing the problem, don’t pay any tax on their profits.

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    Momentum starting to build in getting CGT back on the agenda.

    Somebody has got to people like Dominic Steven's from Westpac whose back touting it - even though the Bank prob not on favour.



    Even the PM seems to be changing her minds

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    Quote Originally Posted by moka View Post
    Probably a few more people will start thinking like this person who made this comment about the above article:
    I’ve changed my mind, we need a capital gains tax. Urgently. It makes no sense that us income earners will pay high tax so the government can buy houses for those who can’t afford them while the so called investors, with many houses, who are largely causing the problem, don’t pay any tax on their profits.
    An ill informed comment. Investors certainly pay tax on their profits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    Momentum starting to build in getting CGT back on the agenda.

    Somebody has got to people like Dominic Steven's from Westpac whose back touting it - even though the Bank prob not on favour.



    Even the PM seems to be changing her minds
    I wouldn't panic this guy may have a point.

    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world...?ocid=msedgntp

    Yapping on about diversity and liberalism while doing nothing of any real substance is most likely.

    I reckon labour won because they went one further than National. No capital gains tax, won't touch your nz super AND we will protect the oldies from co-vid (which National were a bit vague on)

    I reckon a Jacinda govt will be very similar to a John Key govt very popular because they won't rock any boats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
    I wouldn't panic this guy may have a point.

    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world...?ocid=msedgntp

    Yapping on about diversity and liberalism while doing nothing of any real substance is most likely.

    I reckon labour won because they went one further than National. No capital gains tax, won't touch your nz super AND we will protect the oldies from co-vid (which National were a bit vague on)

    I reckon a Jacinda govt will be very similar to a John Key govt very popular because they won't rock any boats.
    Labour and National are only distinguishable under a magnifying glass.

    There will come a time - in ten or fifteen years perhaps at current rate - when a point of inflection will be reached. When 50% of voters will have been priced out of home ownership or even the prospect of it. When electoral self-interest will mean that a general CGT will have to be introduced to broaden the tax base. Perhaps one that includes the family home in some deferred way too. The Coronavirus response by the RBNZ may have hastened the onset of that point of inflection. If you include those who have been priced out of upsizing/upgrading their exisiting homes, 50% of voters may have been priced out of the current market already.

    Twenty years of inaction has led to a 'toxic' NZ housing market

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opi...housing-market
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    I reckon labour won because they went one further than National. No capital gains tax, won't touch your nz super AND we will protect the oldies from co-vid (which National were a bit vague on)
    Contributory issues, but Labour won so convincingly because of the Jacinda/covid effect.

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    Switched post to the Labour Government 2020-23 thread.
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